So teams that don't play in the SEC are crappy?

 

I only called FSU's opponents crappy, not the Seminoles themselves.

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But FSU has struggled almost every week against crappy teams. It is not like they have a difficult schedule, which Alabama did.

You do realize the noles played and beat 5 top 25 teams....not to mention had one of the best out of conference scheduled opponents. I'm not saying they had the toughest schedule but to say they played only "crappy" teams is just wrong.

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You do realize the Seminoles played and beat 5 top 25 teams....not to mention had one of the best out of conference scheduled opponents. I'm not saying they had the toughest schedule but to say they played only "crappy" teams is just wrong.

 

Notre Dame was ranked high at the time, but dropped out of the rankings a few weeks later. Is that who you are calling one of the best OOC opponents?

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Notre Dame was ranked high at the time, but dropped out of the rankings a few weeks later. Is that who you are calling one of the best OOC opponents?

 

Yes, thats exactly what he's doing.  The Nole fans like to think they played a tough schedule by telling you at the time those teams were ranked.  How many teams were ranked at the end of the year is another story.

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Yes, thats exactly what he's doing. The Nole fans like to think they played a tough schedule by telling you at the time those teams were ranked. How many teams were ranked at the end of the year is another story.

The committee has said they look at rankings at the time the games were played. Why can't fans do that? Or does that only apply to SEC teams?

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Yes, thats exactly what he's doing.  The Nole fans like to think they played a tough schedule by telling you at the time those teams were ranked.  How many teams were ranked at the end of the year is another story.

 

I honestly don't think there is a problem with the Noles schedule. I remember looking before the season and seeing OK St, ND, UF on the schedule and thinking it was going to be tough. It's not FSU's fault that those teams had a down year this season. Its not like teams can know who will be good when they make these schedules.

 

Quite frankly, if FSU was winning by 20+ points every single game (including against those teams + ACC teams like Clemson/Miami), I don't think there would be such attention to the schedule. Its only that the team struggled against a perceived weaker schedule that it became an issue.

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The committee has said they look at rankings at the time the games were played. Why can't fans do that? Or does that only apply to SEC teams?

 

Who said it only applies to SEC teams?  Dont let your inferiority cloud your judgement.

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I honestly don't think there is a problem with the Noles schedule. I remember looking before the season and seeing OK St, ND, UF on the schedule and thinking it was going to be tough. It's not FSU's fault that those teams had a down year this season. Its not like teams can know who will be good when they make these schedules.

 

Quite frankly, if FSU was winning by 20+ points every single game (including against those teams + ACC teams like Clemson/Miami), I don't think there would be such attention to the schedule. Its only that the team struggled against a perceived weaker schedule that it became an issue.

 

No, what is FSU's fault is that they are in the SEC.  They knew from the moment they signed with the ACC it was going to be a weak conference.  Their thought process is that beating up on weak teams and having a higher chance of going undefeated was their ticket to national titles.  It worked back then, but times are catching up and playing a tough schedule is much more important.  Ask TCU, ask Baylor.

 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010...-money-acc

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No, what is FSU's fault is that they are in the SEC.  They knew from the moment they signed with the ACC it was going to be a weak conference.  Their thought process is that beating up on weak teams and having a higher chance of going undefeated was their ticket to national titles.  It worked back then, but times are catching up and playing a tough schedule is much more important.  Ask TCU, ask Baylor.

 

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010...-money-acc

 

So what? Get rid of the power 5 and have just SEC vs. one other consolidated division? That's essentially what you're suggesting, right? That unless you're winning in the SEC, that you don't deserve to be in the playoffs? That'll never happen in this landscape.

 

FSU scheduled a top 25 team from the Big 12 (or were they still Big 10 back then? can't remember) in OK St, a top 25 team from the SEC (Go Gataz!), and the top indy team in ND. If you add Clemson (a top ACC team), those four (based on reputation) are somewhat comparable to Bama's UF (common opponent), A&M (=Ok ST), Ole Miss (=ND), and Arkansas (=Clemson)...that is assuming those teams remained as good as they were when the schedule was made.

 

The big difference (and what made Bama's schedule that much harder) was LSU and the surge of Miss St.

 

For a team outside of SEC, there is literally nothing else that FSU could have done scheduling wise unless they had a magic crystal ball to predict which teams are going to be good in 2014.

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The committee has said they look at rankings at the time the games were played. Why can't fans do that? Or does that only apply to SEC teams?

I understand the committee does that, I am just not sure why. The season rankings at the end should be the only ones that matter. It's common sense. I have tried to see why they are looking at it the way they are, but I just can't see it.

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Jimbo came out a few years back and stated he wanted to get away from playing the bigger schools OOC. He got his wish. Next season is Texas State, USF, UT Chatt, and UF.

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I understand the committee does that, I am just not sure why. The season rankings at the end should be the only ones that matter. It's common sense. I have tried to see why they are looking at it the way they are, but I just can't see it.

 

Probably because, as we've seen this year (and year's past)...teams fluctuate during the season. A late season win against Ohio State does not equal a win against that same Ohio State early in the year, for example.

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So what? Get rid of the power 5 and have just SEC vs. one other consolidated division? That's essentially what you're suggesting, right? That unless you're winning in the SEC, that you don't deserve to be in the playoffs? That'll never happen in this landscape.

 

FSU scheduled a top 25 team from the Big 12 (or were they still Big 10 back then? can't remember) in OK St, a top 25 team from the SEC (Go Gataz!), and the top indy team in ND. If you add Clemson (a top ACC team), those four (based on reputation) are somewhat comparable to Bama's UF (common opponent), A&M (=Ok ST), Ole Miss (=ND), and Arkansas (=Clemson)...that is assuming those teams remained as good as they were when the schedule was made.

 

The big difference (and what made Bama's schedule that much harder) was LSU and the surge of Miss St.

 

For a team outside of SEC, there is literally nothing else that FSU could have done scheduling wise unless they had a magic crystal ball to predict which teams are going to be good in 2014.

 

I'm not sure how you took that from what I said.  It's not all about the SEC vs the world, but your fan base is the one that likes to make it that way.  

 

As Trav pointed out above, Jimbo doesn't want to play the top contenders.  When Foley came out and said that he was blasted by your fan base for saying the SEC was tough enough and they should have to play tougher opponents ooc.  Now that your coach said it, its ok.  Bunch of jokes.

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Probably because, as we've seen this year (and year's past)...teams fluctuate during the season. A late season win against Ohio State does not equal a win against that same Ohio State early in the year, for example.

The same can be said the other way as well. That's why games are played.

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The committee has said they look at rankings at the time the games were played. Why can't fans do that? Or does that only apply to SEC teams?

This, but it's hard for them to see reason when they are blinded by the hate. I merely pointed out we didnt play a "crappy" schedule. ND was highly ranked when we played them. Who did OSU or alabama play out of conference that was ranked?

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The committee has said they look at rankings at the time the games were played. Why can't fans do that? Or does that only apply to SEC teams?

This, but it's hard for them to see reason when they are blinded by the hate. I merely pointed out we didnt play a "crappy" schedule. ND was highly ranked when we played them. Who did OSU or alabama play out of conference that was ranked?

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This, but it's hard for them to see reason when they are blinded by the hate. I merely pointed out we didnt play a "crappy" schedule. ND was highly ranked when we played them. Who did OSU or alabama play out of conference that was ranked?

This what? It was a crappy schedule. ND turned out to be yuck. Florida, yuck, etc. That's not FSU's fault whatsoever, but the fact still remains. They should get credit in my opinion for scheduling those opponents, but that doesn't mean the schedule this year is good because of that.

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FSU has always tried to schedule good out of conference games.  We play Ole Miss in 2016 and you couldn't predict Oklahoma State having a down year.  UCF, you said our "weak" schedule is catching up, yet we have been undefeated for 2 years running and won one NT and in the first ever playoffs... 

 

We are playing Ole Miss in 2016.  In regards to what Jimbo said, I'm against that and we will see if he changes his stance on that.  I think college football should do better with out of conference games.  Still a lot to fix.  I don't mind having 1 or 2 easy games at the very beginning (kind of like a preseason), but you have teams playing these easy games the 2nd to last week of the season.  That shouldn't happen.

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FSU has always tried to schedule good out of conference games. We play Ole Miss in 2016 and you couldn't predict Oklahoma State having a down year. UCF, you said our "weak" schedule is catching up, yet we have been undefeated for 2 years running and won one NT and in the first ever playoffs...


We are playing Ole Miss in 2016. In regards to what Jimbo said, I'm against that and we will see if he changes his stance on that. I think college football should do better with out of conference games. Still a lot to fix. I don't mind having 1 or 2 easy games at the very beginning (kind of like a preseason), but you have teams playing these easy games the 2nd to last week of the season. That shouldn't happen.

Good points, UCF has just developed a hatred for our team and fanbase. He can't objectively look at it.

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This what? It was a crappy schedule. ND turned out to be yuck. Florida, yuck, etc. That's not FSU's fault whatsoever, but the fact still remains. They should get credit in my opinion for scheduling those opponents, but that doesn't mean the schedule this year is good because of that.

 

Crappy?  http://collegefootballpoll.com/current_c...kings.html.  This one has us at 26.  http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foot...le-by-team.  This one at 33.  http://www.teamrankings.com/college-foot...s-by-other.  That apparently is their new system and that has us at 26.  Pretty consistent.  And yes, I double checked the date this time .

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