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First of all, there would be no controversy about excluding the Big 12. Both Texas Christian and Baylor would get in.

 

Second, I would not have worried about Ohio State being shut out by a team that was named the co-champ of a conference with only 10 teams.

 

Even before the playoff committee was forced to make hard decisions about TCU and Baylor, I wished it was an eight-team playoff. That would have made it less controversial.

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It would look better, that's for sure.  I believe that's where we're headed sooner than later, and I think those in power will push for it and get it within the next 2-5 years.

 

The only question would be how to implement it.

 

Because of additional games played for those who make it all the way, I'd say it might eliminate and/or replace conference championships.  And in turn, could redraw conferences once again.  But I do think that would be the extreme end, and not necessarily likely.

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It would look better, that's for sure.  I believe that's where we're headed sooner than later, and I think those in power will push for it and get it within the next 2-5 years.

 

The only question would be how to implement it.

 

Because of additional games played for those who make it all the way, I'd say it might eliminate and/or replace conference championships.  And in turn, could redraw conferences once again.  But I do think that would be the extreme end, and not necessarily likely.

 

I thought there was something about they set it up to be only four teams the first 12 years. If that is in a binding contract, they can't do anything about it.

 

How to implement it is not hard to figure out: Simply add the Fiesta and Orange Bowls for the quarterfinals, then pick two more stadiums and game names for the semifinal round.

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I thought there was something about they set it up to be only four teams the first 12 years. If that is in a binding contract, they can't do anything about it.

 

How to implement it is not hard to figure out: Simply add the Fiesta and Orange Bowls for the quarterfinals, then pick two more stadiums and game names for the semifinal round.

That is correct, I can't remember the time frame exactly, but it was around 2024/26 something like that. But.....if there is more money to be made, and I think there's a lot more that could be made, then they will change it.

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I thought there was something about they set it up to be only four teams the first 12 years. If that is in a binding contract, they can't do anything about it.

 

How to implement it is not hard to figure out: Simply add the Fiesta and Orange Bowls for the quarterfinals, then pick two more stadiums and game names for the semifinal round.

 

I think if they expanded to 8 then the quarterfinals would have to be played at the higher seed's home stadium.  I've heard a number of FSU fans already talking about the difficulty they'll have going to Rose Bowl then to Dallas if they make it.  Could you imagine adding one more trip?  Fans would never go.

 

I actually have no problem with the controversy.  Baylor and especially TCU, in my opinion, have a right to be upset but then again they lost a game.  Once you lose, your don't control your own destiny.  Too bad so sad sucks for you.  Sure Ohio St had the worst loss and struggled against some average teams, but they always blew out the two best teams they played.  TCU and Baylor cant say that.  Sure there are other things they can argue in their favor but ultimately Ohio St's arguments trumped theirs.  If Baylor or TCU had gone undefeated though they'd be in.  Just like FSU who struggled all year against average teams.

 

As far as 8, I think you really start to cheapen the regular season.  Especially once you start admitting conference champs.  I know I said this in another thread but i'll rehash.  Look at FSU.  Their last three regular season games(Miami, BC, and Florida) would all have become essentially irrelevant.  They had locked up an ACC championship bid before Miami so who cares if they lose.  All that would do is affect their playoff seeding but nobody aside from FSU fans and compulsive gamblers would care about that.  The Civil War would have been irrelevant.  Once Miss St lost in the Egg Bowl, the Iron Bowl became irrelevant.  Heck, I bet if Alabama had lost the SEC championship game, they would get one of the atlarge bids so game would have also been irrelevant for them.  

 

And I see that 8 team playoff has included Mich St.  How in the world do they deserve a spot?  They only played two really good teams all year and got it handed to them both times.  They shouldnt sniff a college football playoff.  Talk about cheapening not only the playoff but the regular season.  I like the fact that this 4 team version is essentially the best of the best.  We dont need teams like Mich St in there. 

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That is correct, I can't remember the time frame exactly, but it was around 2024/26 something like that. But.....if there is more money to be made, and I think there's a lot more that could be made, then they will change it.

 

A binding contract with who?  The tv guys....if you told them they were going to make more money by adding games, I'm pretty sure they'd be willing to re up.

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I think if they expanded to 8 then the quarterfinals would have to be played at the higher seed's home stadium. I've heard a number of FSU fans already talking about the difficulty they'll have going to Rose Bowl then to Dallas if they make it. Could you imagine adding one more trip? Fans would never go.

 

What difference does it make whether FSU fans go to Eugene or Pasadena? Southern California has perfect weather and lots of fun places to go, that's what. FSU fans would never go to Oregon. It is much better to play at the Rose Bowl than than the Ducks stadium. If Florida State fans are complaining about traveling to the west coast they are forgetting Oregon has the higher seed. As for the NCG in Dallas, everyone has more time to get ready for that than they did for the ACCCG in Charlotte, so I don't see a problem there.

 

I actually have no problem with the controversy. Baylor and especially TCU, in my opinion, have a right to be upset but then again they lost a game. Once you lose, your don't control your own destiny. Too bad so sad sucks for you. Sure Ohio St had the worst loss and struggled against some average teams, but they always blew out the two best teams they played. TCU and Baylor can't say that. Sure there are other things they can argue in their favor but ultimately Ohio St's arguments trumped theirs. If Baylor or TCU had gone undefeated though they'd be in. Just like FSU who struggled all year against average teams.

 

You don't know what you are talking about. After the Virigina Tech debacle Ohio State only struggled at Minnesota. Obviously the first two weeks J.T. Barrett was not ready for the starting job. But there is no way a team that lost to VT can say it's more deserving of a playoff berth than a team whose loss was by three points at Baylor. The fact that a late field goal by another top 10 team ended TCU's chances of going undefeated means the Horned Frogs have a better argument. OSU's #4 ranking can only be explained by the fact that if the Big 12 named only one conference champion, it would have been Baylor, which was ranked lower than Ohio State.


 

As far as 8, I think you really start to cheapen the regular season. Especially once you start admitting conference champs. I know I said this in another thread but I'll rehash. Look at FSU. Their last three regular season games (Miami, BC, and Florida) would all have become essentially irrelevant. They had locked up an ACC championship bid before Miami so who cares if they lose. All that would do is affect their playoff seeding but nobody aside from FSU fans and compulsive gamblers would care about that. The Civil War would have been irrelevant. Once Miss St lost in the Egg Bowl, the Iron Bowl became irrelevant. Heck, I bet if Alabama had lost the SEC championship game, they would get one of the atlarge bids so game would have also been irrelevant for them.

 

What do you mean by "start admitting conference champs"? That is exactly what the playoff committee did. The four teams who got in were the four who won conference championship games. The message they are sending is you have to be a CCG winner to get in the playoffs. It put the Big 12 on alert that they need to get two more teams and have a CCG again if they want to send TCU or Baylor to the playoffs.


 

The Iron Bowl was only irrelevant because the Egg Bowl was played first. If both games were played at the same time, the Iron Bowl would have been more important to Alabama. The fact that FSU had already locked up the Atlantic division is proof the ACC is a weak conference so the playoff committee is not putting enough weight on each team's strength of schedule. As for the Civil War, that game has a name because it is a big rivalry so that win was very important to the Ducks.

 

And I see that 8 team playoff has included Mich St. How in the world do they deserve a spot? They only played two really good teams all year and got it handed to them both times. They shouldn't sniff a college football playoff. Talk about cheapening not only the playoff but the regular season. I like the fact that this 4 team version is essentially the best of the best. We dont need teams like Mich St in there.

 

If the Spartans were ranked in the top 8 two weeks ago, something is wrong with the playoff committee. Michigan State dropped out of the top 10 after losing to Ohio State. How did they get back into it with two losses? I think if 8 teams got in it would have had two-loss teams in the SEC and nobody would complain abourt that.


 

Think about how many teams are in the Power 5 conferences and subtract that by 8. The difference is much bigger than 32 - 12, but nobody complains there are too many teams in the NFL playoffs.

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"After the Virigina Tech debacle Ohio State only struggled at Minnesota. "


JW, you are forgetting the refs had to give OSU points to beat Penn State.

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"After the Virigina Tech debacle Ohio State only struggled at Minnesota. "


JW, you are forgetting the refs had to give OSU points to beat Penn State.

Yup. Ohio State was really lucky to beat Penn State. OSU struggled against them, for sure.

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You don't know what you are talking about. After the Virigina Tech debacle Ohio State only struggled at Minnesota. Obviously the first two weeks J.T. Barrett was not ready for the starting job. But there is no way a team that lost to VT can say it's more deserving of a playoff berth than a team whose loss was by three points at Baylor. The fact that a late field goal by another top 10 team ended TCU's chances of going undefeated means the Horned Frogs have a better argument. OSU's #4 ranking can only be explained by the fact that if the Big 12 named only one conference champion, it would have been Baylor, which was ranked lower than Ohio State.


 

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What do you mean by "start admitting conference champs"? That is exactly what the playoff committee did. The four teams who got in were the four who won conference championship games. The message they are sending is you have to be a CCG winner to get in the playoffs. It put the Big 12 on alert that they need to get two more teams and have a CCG again if they want to send TCU or Baylor to the playoffs.


 

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Think about how many teams are in the Power 5 conferences and subtract that by 8. The difference is much bigger than 32 - 12, but nobody complains there are too many teams in the NFL playoffs.



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Ohio St needed two overtimes to beat Penn St.  They were losing to Indiana by a touchdown late in the 3rd quarter.  They were tied with Michigan late in the 3rd quarter.  They weren't dominating their average opponents down the stretch.  If they had struggled to beat Mich St and Wisconsin instead of doing so decisively I think they'd be on the outside looking in.

 

In my opinion it was more of a coincidence that they selected only conference champs... not a prerequisite.  Although Im sure winning the conference carried weight.  But if Miss St had finished one with loss and blew out Ole Miss, I wouldnt have been surprised if they made the playoffs.  They were top 4 nearly the whole time.  But didnt dominate down the stretch and lost a bad game that knocked them out.  If there had been a deserving 2nd team from any conference, I believe that team would be in.

 

I argue from time to time that the NFL has too many teams in the playoffs.  It's nearly 40% of the league that makes the playoff.  And over the last 10 years or so, on average, only 2 teams with a winning record dont make the playoffs each season.  NFL playoff isnt exactly a harbor for only the best of the best.  And I believe the regular season suffers because of it.  We've got what 3 or 4 weeks left in the regular season.  And the NFC playoffs is basically set.  The only thing we are waiting to see is which one of the four 9-4 teams doesnt the make playoffs.  But since I have no rooting interest in any of the 4, I dont know that I really care(although I suppose it'd be fun to see Romo not make it).  The AFC playoff race is definitely more intriguing with so many teams still in the race buoyed by the fact that youve got 4 awful teams at 2-11 boosting everyone else's record.  But then again all those teams still in the race are 7-6.  I dont know that watching a bunch of teams struggling to stay above 500 try to make the playoffs is all that exciting.  I already know who the best teams in the AFC are(Denver and NE) and they're already a lock for the playoffs.

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FSU          vs      MICH ST

ORE          vs     BAYLOR

TCU           vs     ALA

MISS ST    vs     OHIO ST

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"After the Virigina Tech debacle Ohio State only struggled at Minnesota. "


JW, you are forgetting the refs had to give OSU points to beat Penn State.

 

Yes, I did forget about that game. But the Buckeyes won in double overtime when Joey Bosa sacked Christian Hackenburg by pushing an offensive lineman into him.

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Yes, I did forget about that game. But the Buckeyes won in double overtime when Joey Bosa sacked Christian Hackenburg by pushing an offensive lineman into him.

The refs gave them 10 points in regulation, so it never would've gotten to overtime.

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The two biggest obstacles to having an eight team playoff are the number of games and the travel of the fan base.

 

Two of the final eight will have an additional 3 games added onto their conference championship game which is on top of their 12 game schedule. This would leave the final 2 teams playing 16 games.

 

Also, let's say Alabama plays for the national title against Okla. The first playoff game is in Pasadena so the Alabama fan base has to travel to Calif. Now, not knowing if their team will win, they will make reservations for the second playoff game one week later and secure tickets, to the second playoff game in Miami. Then not knowing if they will win, will make reservations and secure tickets for the championship game one week later in New Orleans. It's just too much. Most people will not be able to swing it.

 

If they play home games like in D-II then the bowl organizers will throw a fit even though the travelling will still be nearly insurmountable for some.

 

Regards..................the Chiefjag

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