The truly sad part is that the only reason this story is still kicking is because 3/4 of the country checked out when belichick used the word equilibrium. Only about 1/10 know what the abbreviation stp means in chemistry or how that relates to the behavior of a gas.


When someone finds a picture of a ballboy with a bleeder needle call me.

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Best case scenario: Ballboy pleads ignorance and Kraft compensates the fallboy. Nobody is going to be upset if a ballboy comes out and says it was an accident or he read the pressure wrong

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Yeah but in an experiment containing a control group, you're usually only testing one variable per group right?  If each team's game balls were inflated and stored on different sides of the stadium, took different paths through the stadium to get where they were going, were rubbed or prepared differently by each team's QB or whoever else handles them, etc...     Bottom line is there are a multitude of different things that happened to each group of game balls.  There was no true experiment being run here.  Calling the clot balls the "control group" is convenient for your position, but it's not a stance that someone who hopes to remain objective would take.

 

I think I'm pretty objective in terms of me not really caring all that much, other than I pretty much think I'm correct, and I haven't really heard a very good explanation for why clot balls remained within the NFL psi range and the pats balls didn't...

 

I hate both teams.  I can't stand either QB.  So I think I'm pretty impartial about it.

 

But facts are facts.  You are correct, this was not a perfect experiment.  There are some unknowns...  But a rational person who looks at this specific senario would see that something is amiss with the patriots side of this story.

 

Here's the facts.  Both clots and pats balls were checked at halftime.  The pats balls were under regulation by 2 psi, meaning that they were at least a 10.5 psi.  (the league  minimum is 12.5 psi, and our prima dona cheater Brady likes an under-inflated football).  The clots balls were within regulation.  

 

So that means that the pats balls at bare minimum deflated by 2 psi, but apparently the clots balls didn't.  The range to be in regulation is 12.5 to 13.5 psi.  

 

I'm assuming that the balls are checked in the same room for both teams.  The referee's office or whatever.  Would  that not be a logical assumption?  So if the balls are checked in the same room, that is controlled.  So the balls would be weighed in the same ambient temperature.  The clots balls maintained regulation status, the pats ball didn't.

 

Dude, it's science.  You are right that we cannot claim that this is a perfect science experiment and that all controls have been met and we've zeroed out all variables down to 1.  But I think we're close enough to begin extrapolating.

 

And my extrapolation shows Belicheat to be the greatest cheater in NFL history.  

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I think I'm pretty objective in terms of me not really caring all that much, other than I pretty much think I'm correct, and I haven't really heard a very good explanation for why clot balls remained within the NFL psi range and the pats balls didn't...


I hate both teams. I can't stand either QB. So I think I'm pretty impartial about it.


But facts are facts. You are correct, this was not a perfect experiment. There are some unknowns... But a rational person who looks at this specific senario would see that something is amiss with the patriots side of this story.


Here's the facts. Both clots and pats balls were checked at halftime. The pats balls were under regulation by 2 psi, meaning that they were at least a 10.5 psi. (the league minimum is 12.5 psi, and our prima dona cheater Brady likes an under-inflated football). The clots balls were within regulation.


So that means that the pats balls at bare minimum deflated by 2 psi, but apparently the clots balls didn't. The range to be in regulation is 12.5 to 13.5 psi.


I'm assuming that the balls are checked in the same room for both teams. The referee's office or whatever. Would that not be a logical assumption? So if the balls are checked in the same room, that is controlled. So the balls would be weighed in the same ambient temperature. The clots balls maintained regulation status, the pats ball didn't.


Dude, it's science. You are right that we cannot claim that this is a perfect science experiment and that all controls have been met and we've zeroed out all variables down to 1. But I think we're close enough to begin extrapolating.


And my extrapolation shows Belicheat to be the greatest cheater in NFL history.

there you go assuming things again

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there you go assuming things again

 

I know right, how dare I take the facts as they are and then form an opinion.  Crazy, right?

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I know right, how dare I take the facts as they are and then form an opinion. Crazy, right?

no dawg your just making up "facts" you don't have any idea where or how the balls where measured

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no dawg your just making up "facts" you don't have any idea where or how the balls where measured

 

right, it's really hard to figure how how a ball is measured.  And it's very difficult to predict where a ball is measured.  

 

The fact is this.  The balls were measured in the same place.  And the balls were measured with the same gadget.  Both sets, the pats and the clots.  Same place, same gadget, heck same testers.

 

So we can therefore be safe knowing that the place and gauge used are controlled.  

 

Science!  It's awesome!  

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Someone coulda measured wrong

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Someone coulda measured wrong

You don't honestly believe this

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Maybe they only measured one ball each and called it good

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Someone coulda measured wrong

 

sure could of.  Just like aliens could have taken control of the balls and deflated them on their spaceship.  

 

You know, the sun may not rise tomorrow.  A scientist will concede that point as well... 

 

So a whole lot of things could "go wrong".  But a rational person will take the evidence and use the facts to make a determination.  

If you wish to play the contrarian, go for it!  It makes for a good discussion.  But at least come strong with a contrarian point of view.  

 

 

Saying something could go wrong is weak.  As someone's signature says, if forget who, "Come at me, bro!"

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Someone coulda measured wrong

11 times, all Patriot balls. That makes complete sense.

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11 times, all Patriot balls. That makes complete sense.

Much more believable than the pats doing the messing with their own ball.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Has it been proven all balls were measured? Didn't think so

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At the end of the day the NFL will not take action because multiple quarterbacks around the league has since admitted their preferace weight for the footballs. The NFL could have closed these cans of worms by telling the Peyton's and Rodger's of the world "sorry no changing the pressure".

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

At the end of the day the NFL will not take action because multiple quarterbacks around the league has since admitted their preferace weight for the footballs. The NFL could have closed these cans of worms by telling the Peyton's and Rodger's of the world "sorry no changing the pressure".

 

What? It doesn't matter about preference. All balls are, by rule, to be between 12.5 to 13.5 psi. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

And the Patriots now have the smell of desperation - sending Belichick out there to do his best Mr. Wizard imitation.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

What? It doesn't matter about preference. All balls are, by rule, to be between 12.5 to 13.5 psi. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

And the Patriots now have the smell of desperation - sending Belichick out there to do his best Mr. Wizard imitation.

Rodgers said he like his footballs below the required weight.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Refs check the balls and brings them to the field when the game is about to start. 

Anyone that could have messed with the balls will be on camera on the sideline doing so. 

The amount of cameras for that game will only be surpassed by the superbowl.

 

If the refs brought out LEGAL balls that they checked and were in complete control of....and there is no video evidence of anyone tampering with the balls other then throwing/catching for warm ups.....then what? We all fall back to the alien scenario?

 

It will be EASY to spot anyone letting air out of 11/12 balls.

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You're making a mistake assuming that only positives come from an under inflated ball.  There might be positives to it in some situations but there likely are negatives as well.  I've not conducted my own experiment on football psi nor do I intend to, but I have to imagine a fully pumped up ball would be more aerodynamic and better suited for long passes than an under inflated one.  So let's not get carried away on how this possibly helped the Pats steal games from teams they would have otherwise lost over the years.  We simply do not have enough information and the truth is we may never get it. 

 

 

Well don't make stuff up,  I did not say "Only positives come from an under inflated ball"  ... Especially not when there are 31 other teams on the opposite side of the NFL rule book, positive or negative.  There are rules for a reason.  I'm pretty sure I am not making a mistake assuming anything.  You can't run over the opposing teams with a bulldozer wearing golden shoes either.

 

 

If Tom Brady wanted the ball to be 19 psi, the ball would be 19 psi.        How it happens may never be known.  Is it because they didn't/don't cheat, or because they are good at it?

 

I'm going with      "good at it"

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Another interesting stat:

If you look at just Brady's fumbles as a % of Sacks you get something like:

2001-2006: 59 fumbles / 182 sacks (32%)
2007-2014: 37 fumbles / 182 sacks (20%)

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