Not interested in Suh for obvious reasons.

Yea, he's only unquestionably a top 3 player at his position, if not the best overall. We don't need that crap in Jacksonville. If you're not old (clemons, bryant), coming off injury (marks, miller [both starters]), or pretty much a draft bust (alualu,branch), then we don't need you in sacksonville.

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This is one of the best classes in a long time. I think we can get a couple impact players. One guy I think that would really help us is Byron Maxwell, Gus knows him and we need secondary help. Who do you think we should go for?

 

Link: http://walterfootball.com/freeagents.php

Why does that website looks like it was made in 1993?

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Yea, he's only unquestionably a top 3 player at his position, if not the best overall. We don't need that crap in Jacksonville. If you're not old (Clemons, Bryant), coming off injury (Marks, Miller [both starters]), or pretty much a draft bust (Alualu,Branch), then we don't need you in Sacksonville.

 

Andre Branch is not a bust. We also got some good production from Abry Jones, Ziggy Hood, Ryan Davis, and Chris Smith in our defensive line rotation. My objection to drafting a defensive lineman is simply the fact that our best position group is the defensive line. I think it is a little bit too early to call us Sacksonville though because such a nickname would imply all four starters are elite. They are productive enough for us to concentrate on other positions - free safety, right tackle, and tight end - before worrying about who subs for Sen'Derrick Marks while he is on PUP or IR-DTR.

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Why does that website looks like it was made in 1993?

 

Huh? The year 2015 is on it.

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Andre Branch isn't a bust....in your opinion.


I actually watch him play. He still can't bend the corner, and he gets most of his sacks off stunts, good coverage, and good scheme/play calls from the coaches. He's a guy out there.


Lol at the idea of the rotation players you listed being able to man the line all season in case of injury. Ryan Davis and Chris Smith are jokes as run stoppers. Ziggy hood is also just a guy.


This team is going to regret it if they don't sign or draft at least one starting - level player on the D line this offseason.

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Andre Branch isn't a bust....in your opinion.


I actually watch him play. He still can't bend the corner, and he gets most of his sacks off stunts, good coverage, and good scheme/play calls from the coaches. He's a guy out there.


Lol at the idea of the rotation players you listed being able to man the line all season in case of injury. Ryan Davis and Chris Smith are jokes as run stoppers. Ziggy hood is also just a guy.


This team is going to regret it if they don't sign or draft at least one starting - level player on the D line this offseason.

 

So you think every second round pick who is not elite is a bust? To me a bust is someone like Blaine Gabbert - a very high draft pick who never lived up to expectations. I don't think anyone expected Andre Branch to be more than just a guy.

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Just remember before all of you go saying we can get this or that previous Seahawks player because of Bradley the Falcons have their most recent past DC in Quinn. So it won't be a given that we get Seahawk players.

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So you think every second round pick who is not elite is a bust? To me a bust is someone like Blaine Gabbert - a very high draft pick who never lived up to expectations. I don't think anyone expected Andre Branch to be more than just a guy.

You and I have very, very different expectations of players selected in the top half of the 2nd round apparently. He doesn't need to be elite to be considered worth his selection. He doesn't have to be as bad as Gabbert to be considered underwhelming for his draft slot, either.


You may be right though. Gene Smith very well could have thought Andre Branch was going to be just a guy out there, and that's why he drafted him so high. After all, he drafted a punter ahead of a Super Bowl winning QB.

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You and I have very, very different expectations of players selected in the top half of the 2nd round apparently. He doesn't need to be elite to be considered worth his selection. He doesn't have to be as bad as Gabbert to be considered underwhelming for his draft slot, either.


You may be right though. Gene Smith very well could have thought Andre Branch was going to be just a guy out there, and that's why he drafted him so high. After all, he drafted a punter ahead of a Super Bowl winning QB.

 

I doubt anybody expected Russell Wilson to do what he did in Seattle. There must have been a reason he fell to the middle of the third round.

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I doubt anybody expected Russell Wilson to do what he did in Seattle. There must have been a reason he fell to the middle of the third round.

 

Generally, most people commented on his height as being a major minus. Most of his success comes from the solid defense and one of the top running backs in the NFL. I'm a fan of Wilson, but he is the definition of just enough.

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Generally, most people commented on his height as being a major minus. Most of his success comes from the solid defense and one of the top running backs in the NFL. I'm a fan of Wilson, but he is the definition of just enough.

Just enough?! Holy crap, you haven't seen that guy play. He was amazing in college, and he's pretty amazing in the NFL. I don't care how good your running game and defense is, you don't make it to 2 straight superbowls without a legit QB, especially with the average WRs he has to throw to. The guy is 11-1 against the elite QB'S in the game.


To Say Russell Wilson is "the definition of just enough" is easily one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on here. No offense.

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I doubt anybody expected Russell Wilson to do what he did in Seattle. There must have been a reason he fell to the middle of the third round.

Like I replied to the other poster, Wilson was damn good in college, and there were quite a few people who thought he would be that good in the pros. He fell to the third round simply because of his height. I'll admit I didn't think a player of his stature was going to be much more than a solid backup, but then again I don't get paid good money to make personnel decisions for a football team either.


After watching Wilson's college tape, I don't care how tall he is or isnt; you don't draft a punter before him. The tape was there.

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Like I replied to the other poster, Wilson was good in college, and there were quite a few people who thought he would be that good in the pros. He fell to the third round simply because of his height. I'll admit I didn't think a player of his stature was going to be much more than a solid backup, but then again I don't get paid good money to make personnel decisions for a football team either.


After watching Wilson's college tape, I don't care how tall he is or isn't; you don't draft a punter before him. The tape was there.

 

But nobody ever worried about Johnny Manziel falling out of the first round because of his height. He is a little under six feet. Maybe people learned from Russell Wilson height is less important than they thought for a mobile quarterback.

 

It would be interesting to hear what Gene Smith thinks of the pick now.

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Johnny Foolish absolutely got drafted in the first round because of Russell Wilson IMO. Teams were burned by not drafting a star college player who was short in stature once, they weren't going to let it happen again. The only difference is that Wilson actually cared and acted like a pros pro from day one. Johnny Foolish isn't a bad player because he has no talent, he's a bad player because he has no work ethic.

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Just enough?! Holy crap, you haven't seen that guy play. He was amazing in college, and he's pretty amazing in the NFL. I don't care how good your running game and defense is, you don't make it to 2 straight superbowls without a legit QB, especially with the average WRs he has to throw to. The guy is 11-1 against the elite QB'S in the game.


To Say Russell Wilson is "the definition of just enough" is easily one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on here. No offense.

 

No offense taken. Everybody has their own thoughts. As I stated, I saw him in college quite a bit. I loved him at N.C. State as well as Wisconsin. I admit that at the NFL level I have only seen him in the playoffs. Pretty much every game I've seen all his stats come from one or two big plays. It feels like he has about a 1 for 5 passing stretch pretty regularly before hitting the home run ball to Kearse or Baldwin.

 

I know this is probably a wrong perception, but his situation feels like Mark Sanchez to me. Sanchez seemed great for the Jets in '09 and '10 when he got them to 2 straight AFC Championship games. The common component is that the Jets had a potent running game and shut down defense. In 2011, both of those components took backwards steps and the Jets fell off as well as Sanchez, until the Eagles.

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Idk, you're right about Wilson not necessarily having elite, Peyton Manning in his prime type stats, but I feel comfortable saying he has the best pocket awareness in the league by a wide margin. The guy is a machine back there, and constantly makes defenders look silly. Plays where you think he's surely going to get sacked, the defender often times doesn't even get a hand on him.


One area where I would say he does compare to Sancheeze is the fumbling. I don't know the exact number, but he had something along the lines of 15 fumbles last year, all of which were miraculously recovered by Seattle. If he can't clean that up, you might be on to something with your prediction that he will regress.

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Don't get me wrong. I hope I'm wrong about Wilson. I do agree that his evasiveness and pocket awareness are top class. Plus, I've seen a couple times where he threw 50+ yard bombs with barely a flick of his wrist. He has deceptive arm strength.

 

I guess in my mind half of me says that the Seahawks have such a great defense and running game that even Henne could have great success there, and the other part says that Wilson is a big factor as well.

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