We need to take the best available player at a premium position of need.


So:


Best available (Winston, Williams, Cooper, Fowler, Beasley?)

Premium position (QB, DE, CB, OT)

Need (Fowler)


The only player that fits all three of those prerequisites is Dante Fowler.


Although reasonable people might differ.

Except beasley fits those as well...

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Except beasley fits those as well...

 

Here we go again. 

 

I just don't consider Beasley a DE.   I think he's a LB. 

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Here we go again.


I just don't consider Beasley a DE. I think he's a LB.

What do you consider Clemons?

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What do you consider Clemons?

 

An undersized DE who still weighs more than Beasley.  

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An undersized DE who still weighs more than Beasley.  

 

So Beasley is locked into weighing 245 while in a NFL strength program?

 

...I guess he is definitely locked in as a LB and we should pass.

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So Beasley is locked into weighing 245 while in a NFL strength program?

 

...I guess he is definitely locked in as a LB and we should pass.

 

I'm just saying I prefer Fowler.  

 

But to answer your question about Beasley, you're asking a guy who played in college at around 230, which would be small for an NFL linebacker, and who bulked up to 245 for the Combine, to bulk up even more so he can be big enough to play defensive end in the NFL.   I think Fowler will wind up around 270 when he is in an NFL strength program. 

 

I like Beasley, a lot, but I like him as a LB, and we have our starting outside LBers set already.   What we need is a pass rushing defensive end.  That would be Fowler.

 

We've already had this argument in another thread, and neither of us is going to change our mind, so I will give you the last word if you want it. 

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I'm just saying I prefer Fowler.


But to answer your question about Beasley, you're asking a guy who played in college at around 230, which would be small for an NFL linebacker, and who bulked up to 245 for the Combine, to bulk up even more so he can be big enough to play defensive end in the NFL. I think Fowler will wind up around 270 when he is in an NFL strength program.


I like Beasley, a lot, but I like him as a LB, and we have our starting outside LBers set already. What we need is a pass rushing defensive end. That would be Fowler.


We've already had this argument in another thread, and neither of us is going to change our mind, so I will give you the last word if you want it.

I guess most just prefer the Leo over a traditional DE but we do run a traditional 4-3 so Fowler probably is the best fit.

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What surprised me about Fowler, watching his Pro Day, is that you can tell his body is not yet complete. If you compare his body to Gregory (who looks ripped), you can really see why Gregory is the better athlete. Now you can look at that as a negative or as a positive.

 

With him being still 20 years old though, I think an NFL training program will transform that body further and make him a better athlete...which would supplement his instincts, motor, and tenacity.

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Why is everyone trying to sell us Fowler? Sure he is a good player, Is he the 3rd best player? Gene Smith used to get sold guys so those picking after him could do well.  .

 

Gene used to get Sold Guys?   This is not right.  Gene would try to outsmart everyone and get the guy way under the radar.

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As a Pitt fan, I watched most of the Noles and Gators games over the years rooting for each.  Fowler was 1 of the guys that definitely stood out.  Not sure if it was his wreckless pursuit or if I just noticed him more because he would a unique number "6" for a defender -- perhaps both.

 

The same applied when I used to watch number "9" - LB Alec Olgletree from Georgia

 

Wonder if the single digit number on a defender leads to him being more visible to the general public.  In any event, I think both were kind of freakish in their college days.

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What surprised me about Fowler, watching his Pro Day, is that you can tell his body is not yet complete. If you compare his body to Gregory (who looks ripped), you can really see why Gregory is the better athlete. Now you can look at that as a negative or as a positive.

 

With him being still 20 years old though, I think an NFL training program will transform that body further and make him a better athlete...which would supplement his instincts, motor, and tenacity.

 

Famous last words

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As a Pitt fan, I watched most of the Noles and Gators games over the years rooting for each.  Fowler was 1 of the guys that definitely stood out.  Not sure if it was his wreckless pursuit or if I just noticed him more because he would a unique number "6" for a defender -- perhaps both.

 

The same applied when I used to watch number "9" - LB Alec Olgletree from Georgia

 

Wonder if the single digit number on a defender leads to him being more visible to the general public.  In any event, I think both were kind of freakish in their college days.

 

Same with Muhammad Wilkerson at Temple (#9 I believe) and he has been terrific for the Jets.

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Football Outsiders March 27, 2015 article on Offensive Lines 2014 season

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol' title="External link">http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol</a>

The Jaguars were the worst at pass protection blocking & in the bottom 10 blocking for the run.

 

If you compare Football Outsiders Defensive Line rankings for last season

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl' title="External link">http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/dl</a>

The Jaguars were 2nd overall in getting at the passer (bills were 1st) and 9th against the run (when grading only the defensive line)...

 

Why would the Jaguars spend the 3rd overall pick getting Fowler when GM Dave Caldwell already resigned Tyson Alualu signed Free Agent Odrick to play LE, and SKuta to play strong side OLB.  HC Gus Bradley has publicly said he's confident in Poz and has total faith in him as the MIKE.  Weak side LB Telvin Smith might improve to be a ProBowl player this year.  Chris Clemons is getting older but he had a good season & while A Branch was injured he is a good backup rotation player as LEO. 

When the Offensive Line is playing as the leagues worst, especially at protecting the QB on pass plays why wouldnt you sign a LT?   According to Football Outsiders Left Tackle Luke Joekel was ranked in the bottom 10 of the worst starting LTs in the league.

Should it really shock us if he drafts a LT with the 3rd overall pick?

 

Because numbers don't tell the whole story.. Henne was awful, Bortles made a lot of silly mistakes holding onot the ball, the o-line improved later in the season, the defense is filled with aging-filler type players.. joeckel might not be a true LT, but i wouldnt make a panic move like that because T is a need.. the talent doesnt fit the pick.. that's actually what i think happened when they drafted Joeckel in the first place, The Jags forced a need into the pick and Joeckel wasnt the 2nd best player that year

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Because numbers don't tell the whole story.. Henne was awful, Bortles made a lot of silly mistakes holding onot the ball, the o-line improved later in the season, the defense is filled with aging-filler type players.. joeckel might not be a true LT, but i wouldnt make a panic move like that because T is a need.. the talent doesnt fit the pick.. that's actually what i think happened when they drafted Joeckel in the first place, The Jags forced a need into the pick and Joeckel wasnt the 2nd best player that year

Yeah, by most he was the best.

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I would love to see the two QB's go 1st and 2nd, leaving the Jags their choice of the best edge rusher/ defensive tackle in the draft. Oakland wants Williams in a bad way, so they might swap places with the Jags in round 1, and give up their round 2 pick as well to get him. The Jags could still get Fowler/ Beasley and get two picks early in round two. How desperate are the Raiders?

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Folwer could be a star, or could end up being Vernon Gholston.

 

That's the risk of tweeners, and why the gamble of a #3 pick is far too high on any of them, IMO.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Folwer could be a star, or could end up being Vernon Gholston.


That's the risk of tweeners, and why the gamble of a #3 pick is far too high on any of them, IMO.

I think the same could be said for any prospect at any position. Btw Leonard Williams is a tweener.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Folwer could be a star, or could end up being Vernon Gholston.

 

That's the risk of tweeners, and why the gamble of a #3 pick is far too high on any of them, IMO.

 

(Insert prospect name) could be a star, or could end being (insert name of bust of same position).

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I think the same could be said for any prospect at any position. Btw Leonard Williams is a tweener.

 

That would be the biggest "tweener" in NFL history. 

 

6'5", 302

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That would be the biggest "tweener" in NFL history.


6'5", 302

Between a 4-3 DT and a 3-4 end?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."