I wouldn't feel "proud" at all.....I would be disgusted at having to do it in the first place.....I'd feel absolutely horrible for the person who was killed, but also justified at doing what I had to do. 

 

I am glad to hear that, I would hurt so bad if I really had to defend my life by killing someone else ... maybe to the point of suicide.

 

Money in a cash drawer is not worth any of that to me.

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You pull a gun on someone to rob them you are opening yourself up to getting shot.

 

That is true, but to act like it is nothing more than taking out the trash is what scares the hell out of me.

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I am glad to hear that, I would hurt so bad if I really had to defend my life by killing someone else ... maybe to the point of suicide.

 

Money in a cash drawer is not worth any of that to me.

 

To me though it goes more than just the money....I really have a problem/ issue with lawlessness/ crime of that sort. Someone is holding a gun pointed at the clerk demanding cash.....to me caving in and giving the money isn't helping that sort of crime stop. It just enables more of that since word gets around that they can get away with it. Hate to say it, but shooting that robber does have an effect of stopping that sort of crime from emulators. 

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That is true, but to act like it is nothing more than taking out the trash is what scares the hell out of me.

It's sad Sammy that someone had to die. But if these kids didn't arm themselves to rob someone, putting themselves and others in danger, they'd be home having cocoa with theirs moms right now.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I would rather we keep our discussions to how the Jags are getting killed on the field.

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I would rather we keep our discussions to how the Jags are getting killed on the field.

Yeah...that's not fair either!!! :no:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Yeah...that's not fair either!!! :no:

 

Our Defense definitely needs to adopt a Stand Your Ground attitude.  

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Our Defense definitely needs to adopt a Stand Your Ground attitude.

They've perfected "pay dead"..

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

 

I have a feeling in the end, you would be quite tortured about taking another persons life.

 

<div>You're going to end up killing some person with a mask on that is carrying a pellet gun trying to get money to pay for their babies surgery. Then when the mask is removed ... you see the face of one of your children.
 
 
 
 
 
It could happen ... Nice shot! you must practice.
 
 
 
 
Kidding aside, I do hope you wouldn't feel proud to have to be the one that did it, even if it is justified.
 

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I practice often. Twice a week on average. I carry a sidearm. I have for years. I have pulled it on another when warranted. I have never crossed that line because I didn't have to. I have never had a single issue with how I have reacted to a situation legally either. I think I have a good grasp on how it works. Legally, morally, etc.

 

I would take someone out in that situation, and would have zero regrets. Why? Because your scenario, while slanted toward mitigating the acts of a felon, is meaningless. If some kid needs surgery for their baby, they should be on the phone to St. Jude's Children's hospital, which doesn't charge. They should be meeting with anyone who will listen to get their child the care that they need. That's a normal, ethical, legal, and moral course of action. What is not a course of action however, is to commit a violent crime. Think carefully about what violent crime means. It involves traumatizing a person through no fault of their own. You inflict violence upon an innocent person. Once one chooses to cross that line and decides to remove humanity from their thought process, they, at that very moment, forefeit their right to have others question their intentions or future intentions.

 

For every one of those kids killed as you have outlined, DOZENS of innocent people who are trying to just live life and make ends meet legally are slaughtered by the very type of people you want people like me to stop and analyse prior to taking action. That moment may cost me my life, so no thanks.

 

You can spin it and mitigate WHY someone would do such a thing, but you can't change what was done. What was done was a violent crime, and law abiding citizens have a right to protect themselves from those who commit violent crime. Until you legalize violent crime, you have no basis to argue someone shooting a violent criminal in the process of a crime being committed. Zero basis.

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I practice often. Twice a week on average. I carry a sidearm. I have for years. I have pulled it on another when warranted. I have never crossed that line because I didn't have to. I have never had a single issue with how I have reacted to a situation legally either. I think I have a good grasp on how it works. Legally, morally, etc.

 

I would take someone out in that situation, and would have zero regrets. Why? Because your scenario, while slanted toward mitigating the acts of a felon, is meaningless. If some kid needs surgery for their baby, they should be on the phone to St. Jude's Children's hospital, which doesn't charge. They should be meeting with anyone who will listen to get their child the care that they need. That's a normal, ethical, legal, and moral course of action. What is not a course of action however, is to commit a violent crime. Think carefully about what violent crime means. It involves traumatizing a person through no fault of their own. You inflict violence upon an innocent person. Once one chooses to cross that line and decides to remove humanity from their thought process, they, at that very moment, forefeit their right to have others question their intentions or future intentions.

 

For every one of those kids killed as you have outlined, DOZENS of innocent people who are trying to just live life and make ends meet legally are slaughtered by the very type of people you want people like me to stop and analyse prior to taking action. That moment may cost me my life, so no thanks.

 

You can spin it and mitigate WHY someone would do such a thing, but you can't change what was done. What was done was a violent crime, and law abiding citizens have a right to protect themselves from those who commit violent crime. Until you legalize violent crime, you have no basis to argue someone shooting a violent criminal in the process of a crime being committed. Zero basis.

 

 

I agree with Dakota again....thats 2x today....

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I practice often. Twice a week on average. I carry a sidearm. I have for years. I have pulled it on another when warranted. I have never crossed that line because I didn't have to. I have never had a single issue with how I have reacted to a situation legally either. I think I have a good grasp on how it works. Legally, morally, etc.

 

I would take someone out in that situation, and would have zero regrets. Why? Because your scenario, while slanted toward mitigating the acts of a felon, is meaningless. If some kid needs surgery for their baby, they should be on the phone to St. Jude's Children's hospital, which doesn't charge. They should be meeting with anyone who will listen to get their child the care that they need. That's a normal, ethical, legal, and moral course of action. What is not a course of action however, is to commit a violent crime. Think carefully about what violent crime means. It involves traumatizing a person through no fault of their own. You inflict violence upon an innocent person. Once one chooses to cross that line and decides to remove humanity from their thought process, they, at that very moment, forefeit their right to have others question their intentions or future intentions.

 

For every one of those kids killed as you have outlined, DOZENS of innocent people who are trying to just live life and make ends meet legally are slaughtered by the very type of people you want people like me to stop and analyse prior to taking action. That moment may cost me my life, so no thanks.

 

You can spin it and mitigate WHY someone would do such a thing, but you can't change what was done. What was done was a violent crime, and law abiding citizens have a right to protect themselves from those who commit violent crime. Until you legalize violent crime, you have no basis to argue someone shooting a violent criminal in the process of a crime being committed. Zero basis.

 

I am okay with that, but when (if) you kill some kid (even if it IS his fault), I do hope you feel something other than justified. I don't think you are a robot, Dakota. I could be wrong ... I don't think I am.

 

I cry, I think you do to ... So when you go all "They deserve it" like you are some super hero saving the world while feeling nothing in the wake of the actions, I just don't think that is really you.

 

What happened to you? Did I miss something?

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I agree with Dakota again....thats 2x today....

 

I never did think much of you, anyway.

 

Oh, now I remember why.

 

Dakota on the other hand ??? I know deep down, or I thought I did ... I guess I don't know what I don't know.

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I am okay with that, but when (if) you kill some kid (even if it IS his fault), I do hope you feel something other than justified. I don't think you are a robot, Dakota. I could be wrong ... I don't think I am.

 

I cry, I think you do to ... So when you go all "They deserve it" like you are some super hero saving the world while feeling nothing in the wake of the actions, I just don't think that is really you.

 

What happened to you? Did I miss something?

Yes you did miss something. A lot, actually.

 

You missed the fact that although I do carry a sidearm and shoot regularly, it's never at anything living. I come from a family of hunters, but gave it up almost 25 years ago. I didn't think it was right to kill something I didn't eat. I never liked wild game. I have no problem with those who do, but won't do it myself because it crosses the line within myself over killing, and why killing is righ or wrong.

 

Now, all that said, I stand by what I said, and do so for one simple reason. I will likely never kill anyone. I hope that is the case. HOWEVER, if I do, there's going to be a darn good reason for it. It's not going to be anger, retribution, or anything of the sort. It's going to be for one and one reason only. That reason is this: I am going to see someone violating another person in a violent and lawless manner. I won't ask to be put into that position. However, if fate decides to place me there, my response will be immediate and unquestionable. If I should ever see someone violating another person in a violent way, I will not hesitate to end it with any means at my disposal. Hopefully it won't be a life and death decision for me and the person I'm confronted with. It won't end well. I would rather avoid it.

 

I will not, however, stop and try to rationalize what is happening. If someone is criminally violating another innocent person, I will do what I have within my power to stop it. Not because it's a power trip or anything of the sort. It's because it's the right thing to do. An innocent person never deserves to be assaulted or violated. I will defer back to my explaination of Switzerland and how most people think similarly to me. In that country, crime, especially violent crime is almost nonexistent. It's that way because good people don't stand by and watch bad people do bad things. 

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Better parenting and this thread never would have existed.. 

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Better parenting and this thread never would have existed.. 

 

Go to your room.   :verymad:

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Go to your room.   :verymad:

The government said you can't do that..

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The government said you can't do that..

Until the government starts dressing you, taking you to band practice, and makes sure you have a nice meal and warm bed you better listen young man. Or you can go live with the government!


That last part ought to scare any young kid.

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I know what it did to my friend, and it really messed him up.  Still, he recognized that there wasn't an alternative. 

 

I'm currently shopping for a gun, and I can tell you the one thing that constantly sticks in my head as I'm trying to decide what I want to buy is am I prepared to suffer the consequences if I have to use it.  I'll hopefully never have to reconcile myself in that regard.  I've gotten the training, and have spent quite a bit of time at the range working on my skills.  If someone wants to put my family or me in jeopardy to the point where I need to use it, I will. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

 

 

Now, all that said, I stand by what I said, and do so for one simple reason. I will likely never kill anyone. I hope that is the case. HOWEVER, if I do, there's going to be a darn good reason for it. It's not going to be anger, retribution, or anything of the sort. It's going to be for one and one reason only. That reason is this: I am going to see someone violating another person in a violent and lawless manner. I won't ask to be put into that position. However, if fate decides to place me there, my response will be immediate and unquestionable. If I should ever see someone violating another person in a violent way, I will not hesitate to end it with any means at my disposal. Hopefully it won't be a life and death decision for me and the person I'm confronted with. It won't end well. I would rather avoid it.

 

I will not, however, stop and try to rationalize what is happening. If someone is criminally violating another innocent person, I will do what I have within my power to stop it. Not because it's a power trip or anything of the sort. It's because it's the right thing to do. An innocent person never deserves to be assaulted or violated. I will defer back to my explaination of Switzerland and how most people think similarly to me. In that country, crime, especially violent crime is almost nonexistent. It's that way because good people don't stand by and watch bad people do bad things. 

 

Once again Dakota states it perfectly. I wish I could have been able to put it into those words because it explains my sentiments exactly.

 

,,,,But according to Sammy, that makes me a bad person.... funny, he claims that he never thought much of me anyway, which is totally untrue as he used to speak highly of me until the time that I spoke ill of his Colts, i.e. the Andrew Luck tanking thing.....ever since then, he's held a grudge....and has gone on an insult at will campaign to my posting whenever he sees fit. Didn't think I noticed that, huh? .... 

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Yes you did miss something. A lot, actually.

 

You missed the fact that although I do carry a sidearm and shoot regularly, it's never at anything living. I come from a family of hunters, but gave it up almost 25 years ago. I didn't think it was right to kill something I didn't eat. I never liked wild game. I have no problem with those who do, but won't do it myself because it crosses the line within myself over killing, and why killing is righ or wrong.

 

Now, all that said, I stand by what I said, and do so for one simple reason. I will likely never kill anyone. I hope that is the case. HOWEVER, if I do, there's going to be a darn good reason for it. It's not going to be anger, retribution, or anything of the sort. It's going to be for one and one reason only. That reason is this: I am going to see someone violating another person in a violent and lawless manner. I won't ask to be put into that position. However, if fate decides to place me there, my response will be immediate and unquestionable. If I should ever see someone violating another person in a violent way, I will not hesitate to end it with any means at my disposal. Hopefully it won't be a life and death decision for me and the person I'm confronted with. It won't end well. I would rather avoid it.

 

I will not, however, stop and try to rationalize what is happening. If someone is criminally violating another innocent person, I will do what I have within my power to stop it. Not because it's a power trip or anything of the sort. It's because it's the right thing to do. An innocent person never deserves to be assaulted or violated. I will defer back to my explaination of Switzerland and how most people think similarly to me. In that country, crime, especially violent crime is almost nonexistent. It's that way because good people don't stand by and watch bad people do bad things. 

 

Correlation does not imply causation. The low crime rate in Switzerland has less to do with the populace and their attitude to guns and more with the fact they have an incredibly high standard of living with almost no outright poverty and a social safety net which takes away a large part of the motivation why someone would go out and rob a store.

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