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The most QB-Blessed Franchises

#41

Quote:  Despite Brad Johnson being the Bucs QB that helped led them to their Super Bowl win in the 2002 season,   I definitely would choose Doug Williams as the best Bucs QB in their history.

 

  Regarding Doug Williams'  accomplishment with the Redskins,  it's a reminder of why I feel Joe Gibbs was the best NFL HC in the last 45 years or so.   Winning 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs,   none that are in the HOF,   speaks volumes of what Gibbs accomplished.  
 

Testeverde, even the Bucs version, was better than Doug Williams.





                                                                          

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Quote:Dallas - Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo (?) - Has any team had more top notch talent than Dallas? Look at that list, even with Tony Romo! That's a ton of QB talent for one team to have throughout it's legacy.

 

Dallas QBs weren't top notch, other than Staubach. The team was top notch. They deserve to be on the list by sheer numbers, but no superstars.


 

Denver - Elway, Manning - Two greats put them on the list, but I kinda feel like that's cheating a bit since they brought in Manning in the Twilight of his career. Still, he wears the jersey so I guess it counts.

 

Green Bay - Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers - Might be the best all around in terms of quality over quantity. That is some sterling credentials right there.

 

Indianapolis / Baltimore - Unitas, Manning, Luck - Having the guy that basically created the two-minute Offense, followed up by the guy that perfected the "call at the line" aspect, then follow him up with a guy that was pretty much born to play QB in the NFL is a really good haul. Apologies that I missed this stellar collection at first swipe.

 

I agree with D6. Add Bert Jones here.


 

New England - Steve Grogan (?), Tony Eason <strong>(?), Tom Brady</strong> - Brady leads this class and while Grogan and Eason are both only good, it's not often that a team has two good QBs from which to choose.

 

And Bledsoe here.


 

New Orleans - Manning, Brees - This is the exception that proves the rule. I'd probably be willing to put up with some lousy seasons if I got to cheer for both Manning and Brees in my lifetime. Two greats right there.

 

Archie Manning wasn't a top notch QB.


 

New York Giants - Conerly, Tittle, Tarkenton, Simms, Manning - That list might just rival Dallas'. That is some serious luck for one team to bring in all that QB talent.

 

Oakland/LA - Lamonica, Stabler, Plunkett, Wilson (?), Gannon (?) - Oakland gets on here out of sheer volume. While maybe Stabler is the only really great QB on the list, the simple fact that they have had so many good QBs wear the Black and Silver speaks volumes about Al Davis. Granted, he made some really poor decisions later on in his career, but he has quite a list of good QBs to his name.

 

Pittsburgh - Bradshaw, Roethlisberger -  (Can't believe I missed this one) Having two multi-Super Bowl Champion QBs is about all a fanbase can wish for. Too bad it had to happen to the Pittsburgh fanbase.

 

What, you left out Kordell Stewart?
Smile

 

St. Louis/LA - Van Brocklin, Gabriel, Everett, Warner, Bulger (?) - An early oversight on my part. The Rams have had a pretty good run of some top notch QB talent in their history.

 

San Diego - Dan Fouts, Drew Brees (?), Philip Rivers - This one is just skirting the edge due to Brees not really hitting his stride until he left but he was a good QB while there. Also, the careers that Fouts and Rivers put together were probably enough to get them on the list.

 

San Francisco - Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia (?) -For me, Joe Montana was the best QB I've ever seen play. He was sneaky athletic, had a good enough arm, and understood the Offense he was running to a point where you were playing Checkers and he was playing Chess. Steve Young was athletic as you could get but once he started winning games with his arm, he really took off.

 

Tennessee/Houston - Moon, McNair - Here's another of the exceptions. While McNair was maybe never great, the fact that he strung together a thirteen year career and a Co-MVP to boot is nothing to sneeze at. And Moon's career speaks for itself.

 

Nah! Two good but not great QBs isn't enough.


 

Washington - Baugh, Snead, Jurgensen, Kilmer (?), Theismann (?) - Not a bad list, and I'd like to have one like it but not the best I've seen either.

 
 

I'd remove New Orleans and Houston/Tennessee. You could add Cleveland. Otto Graham as a superstar plus two good QBs in Frank Ryan and Bernie Kosar.





                                                                          

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#43

Quote:lol, if only one of those sons was the best of both of those scenarios, "a season god" and "a post season god" I guess it wouldn't matter what the other one did.


Exactly, it's like he gave half to one and half to the other!
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#44

Since no one else has I will. Miami. Bob Griese and Dan Marino are as deserving a pair as any so far mentioned even if Marino didn't manage to deliver any super bowl wins.


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(This post was last modified: 06-13-2015, 08:04 AM by Bullseye.)

Quote:I noticed something while watching the NFL Network the other day when they had a program up about the Bill Walsh coaching tree. Now the subject of this thread isn't that line of coaches but rather the teams that have been blessed with good to great QB talent throughout their history. I compiled a list with a few rules:

  1. There has to be more than just two good QBs, but two great ones might get you on the list.
  2. You get points for Super Bowl appearance, but only so much.
  3. Longevity counts because the longer a good QB plays, the more chances he gives his team.
After compiling the list, I found it curious that only eleven teams in the League were "lucky" enough to be considered blessed with a lot of QB talent. That's just a third of the total teams!

 

Given that, consider the following list that is arranged alphabetically (I listed some of the "good" QBs and annotated them with a (?) as an "honorable mention" type of thing):

 

Dallas - Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, Tony Romo (?) - Has any team had more top notch talent than Dallas? Look at that list, even with Tony Romo! That's a ton of QB talent for one team to have throughout it's legacy.

 

Denver - Elway, Manning - Two greats put them on the list, but I kinda feel like that's cheating a bit since they brought in Manning in the Twilight of his career. Still, he wears the jersey so I guess it counts.

 

Green Bay - Bart Starr, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers - Might be the best all around in terms of quality over quantity. That is some sterling credentials right there.

 

Indianapolis / Baltimore - Unitas, Manning, Luck - Having the guy that basically created the two-minute Offense, followed up by the guy that perfected the "call at the line" aspect, then follow him up with a guy that was pretty much born to play QB in the NFL is a really good haul. Apologies that I missed this stellar collection at first swipe.

 

New England - Steve Grogan (?), Tony Eason <strong>(?), Tom Brady</strong> - Brady leads this class and while Grogan and Eason are both only good, it's not often that a team has two good QBs from which to choose.

 

New Orleans - Manning, Brees - This is the exception that proves the rule. I'd probably be willing to put up with some lousy seasons if I got to cheer for both Manning and Brees in my lifetime. Two greats right there.

 

New York Giants - Conerly, Tittle, Tarkenton, Simms, Manning - That list might just rival Dallas'. That is some serious luck for one team to bring in all that QB talent.

 

Oakland/LA - Lamonica, Stabler, Plunkett, Wilson (?), Gannon (?) - Oakland gets on here out of sheer volume. While maybe Stabler is the only really great QB on the list, the simple fact that they have had so many good QBs wear the Black and Silver speaks volumes about Al Davis. Granted, he made some really poor decisions later on in his career, but he has quite a list of good QBs to his name.

 

Pittsburgh - Bradshaw, Roethlisberger -  (Can't believe I missed this one) Having two multi-Super Bowl Champion QBs is about all a fanbase can wish for. Too bad it had to happen to the Pittsburgh fanbase.

 

St. Louis/LA - Van Brocklin, Gabriel, Everett, Warner, Bulger (?) - An early oversight on my part. The Rams have had a pretty good run of some top notch QB talent in their history.

 

San Diego - Dan Fouts, Drew Brees (?), Philip Rivers - This one is just skirting the edge due to Brees not really hitting his stride until he left but he was a good QB while there. Also, the careers that Fouts and Rivers put together were probably enough to get them on the list.

 

San Francisco - Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia (?) -For me, Joe Montana was the best QB I've ever seen play. He was sneaky athletic, had a good enough arm, and understood the Offense he was running to a point where you were playing Checkers and he was playing Chess. Steve Young was athletic as you could get but once he started winning games with his arm, he really took off.

 

Tennessee/Houston - Moon, McNair - Here's another of the exceptions. While McNair was maybe never great, the fact that he strung together a thirteen year career and a Co-MVP to boot is nothing to sneeze at. And Moon's career speaks for itself.

 

Washington - Baugh, Snead, Jurgensen, Kilmer (?), Theismann (?) - Not a bad list, and I'd like to have one like it but not the best I've seen either.

 

 

 

Have any of your own to add? Want some taken off? Whaddaya got?
I would add Stan Humphries to San Diego.  He got them to their one Super Bowl.

 

San Francisco...John Brodie.

 

Green Bay...Lynn Dickey had a few Pro Bowl/playoff seasons.

 

I would add Vince Ferragamo to the Rams.  Not a "great" QB, but was capable of making some good deep throws and got them to their first Super Bowl.  Too bad a contract dispute led him away from the Rams.

 

I agree with the other guy who added Bledsoe to New England.  I would replace Eason with Bledsoe.  Eason was never the same after SB XX.

 

I would add Cincinnati.  Ken Anderson, Boomer Esiason, Carson Palmer.  Had he stayed healthy, Greg Cook might have been better than all of them.

 

I might also offer Seattle:  Zorn, Krieg, then Hasselbeck and Wilson.


 

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#46

Quote:Testeverde, even the Bucs version, was better than Doug Williams.
In what world?!?

 

Williams QB the Bucs to their first playoff seasons.  The team fell off the map when they wouldn't pay him and allowed him to go to the USFL.

 

He came back with the Skins and won a Super Bowl, setting Super Bowl records and winning the MVP in the process.

 

Testaverde was an INT machine.  He never reached the playoffs with the Bucs.

 

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Can I just throw this out there? Two QBs does not a "blessed" franchise make. Denver had some real stinkers before Elway and after him. Archie Manning was not a great QB by any stretch of the imagination, and New Orleans definitely does not belong on that list. San Diego is pushing it; Brees wasn't really any good until his final year there, then he left. People keep wanting to add decent/good QBs to this list, and while 40 years of decent QB play is nothing to sneeze at, it hardly makes you a "QB-blessed" franchise.

 

IMO, there should be ten teams, tops, on this list. If half the league is considered to have been blessed with consistently great QB play, then perhaps it's time to reevaluate the standards used to make that determination.


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#48

Ten teams?

 

I think if you are talking strictly HOF caliber QBs, then I might agree.  But how many franchises have more than two HOF QBs?  For that matter, how many franchises have had two HOF QBs?

 

If you are restricting it to teams with two or more HOF caliber QBs...players who had significant time (3+ seasons) with a team

 

Baltimore/Indy-Unitas, Manning

Dallas-Staubach, Aikman

San Francisco-Montana Young

Green Bay- Starr, Favre, Rodgers

Pittsburgh-Bradshaw, Roethlisberger

Miami-Griese, Marino

Denver-Elway, Manning

San Diego-Fouts, Brees

 

Note:  Brees made two of his nine Pro Bowls with the Chargers before he was traded.  I think Brees will make the Hall of Fame, so San Diego has to be included.

 

I think that's about it.

 

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