The biggest problem is, who's roster spot will he take?  We've got a deep crop of young WRs, I don't want to lose out on one who may/may not, but its possible, becoming a productive receiver for a guy who only has a year or two left, if that.

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We're going nowhere this year anyway.  Wayne wouldn't change that fact and he's at the end of his career.  I'd rather see the playing  time go to the younger players who will be here in a couple years, when hopefully we are going somewhere.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

He's worth paying for a mere 16 plays a year, and what he can bring to our young squad.

That's what coaches are for. No one's writing a seven-figure check to Reggie Wayne so that he can "mentor" young players and run a five-yard out once a game.

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The biggest problem is, who's roster spot will he take?  We've got a deep crop of young WRs, I don't want to lose out on one who may/may not, but its possible, becoming a productive receiver for a guy who only has a year or two left, if that.

 

Ace Sanders'.  I agree...keep the current crop.  Let them compete with Wayne, and let him teach them how.

That's what coaches are for. No one's writing a seven-figure check to Reggie Wayne so that he can "mentor" young players and run a five-yard out once a game.

Right..  we need ACCOMPLISHED coaches, and winners...like Reggie Wayne.

 

The 16 plays a year comment was facetious of course.  

 

These guys know how to win.  Marvin Harrison led to Reggie Wayne led to TY Hilton

 

He would not be signing as 'the' playmaker like a Julius Thomas needs to be.  His role would be limited to key plays to force the defenses into certain looks.  That's the bonus.  The real value is what our corps can learn about route-running, making clutch catches, work ethics, little tricks in BIG moments.  What worked for him, what didn't, etc. etc.

 

"Big time players make big time plays in big time games"  - Steve Smith, one of the greatest receivers ever.  Skills are passed down from experienced players to younger players, not learned from the ground up.   

 

I am a huge fan of Michael Strahan.  He was born of Lawrence Taylor.  Strahan himself, at his Hall of Fame induction said words to this effect.  (from an article discussing his speech.

 

'He then thanked Lawrence Taylor, one of the greatest pass rushers to ever play in the NFL. Strahan said that watching Taylor at practice is what taught him what it means to work hard and how to be a great player.'

 

Guys like Reggie Wayne come along very infrequently.  And I'm not advocating for him directly necessarily.  It is the bigger point that we can not always attempt to refashion the wheel.  We need proven lures, to mix metaphors..

 

If I was a billionaire that wanted to WIN in the NFL, I'd pay a guy like Wayne $5 mils to keep the footballs warm if he'd agree to be a leader and train up the young bucks.  One cannot assign a dollar value to what a guy with his skill brings.  We are talking about elite among the elites.  

 

Remember Freddy Taylor?  Who picked him up?  Bellichick, cheater or not, is among the greatest coaches the game has ever seen.  Do you really think he expected Fred to carry the ball 25 times a game?  Bellichick does that kind of thing all the time with great players that no one seems to want.  We should emulate his approach.  (his team's always tackle well too, but that's a different topic.)

 

I would argue MJD was instrumental in Justin Forsett's current success, just as Fred Taylor was instrumental in Jones-Drew's.

 

See the pattern?

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Ace Sanders'.  I agree...keep the current crop.  Let them compete with Wayne, and let him teach them how.

Right..  we need ACCOMPLISHED coaches, and winners...like Reggie Wayne.

 

The 16 plays a year comment was facetious of course.  

 

These guys know how to win.  Marvin Harrison led to Reggie Wayne led to TY Hilton

 

He would not be signing as 'the' playmaker like a Julius Thomas needs to be.  His role would be limited to key plays to force the defenses into certain looks. (1)
That's the bonus.  The real value is what our corps can learn about route-running, making clutch catches, work ethics, little tricks in BIG moments.  What worked for him, what didn't, etc. etc.

 

"Big time players make big time plays in big time games"  - Steve Smith, one of the greatest receivers ever.  Skills are passed down from experienced players to younger players, not learned from the ground up.   

 

I am a huge fan of Michael Strahan.  He was born of Lawrence Taylor.  Strahan himself, at his Hall of Fame induction said words to this effect.  (from an article discussing his speech.

 

'He then thanked Lawrence Taylor, one of the greatest pass rushers to ever play in the NFL. Strahan said that watching Taylor at practice is what taught him what it means to work hard and how to be a great player.' (2)


 

Guys like Reggie Wayne come along very infrequently.  And I'm not advocating for him directly necessarily.  It is the bigger point that we can not always attempt to refashion the wheel.  We need proven lures, to mix metaphors..

 

If I was a billionaire that wanted to WIN in the NFL, I'd pay a guy like Wayne $5 mils to keep the footballs warm if he'd agree to be a leader and train up the young bucks.  One cannot assign a dollar value to what a guy with his skill brings.  We are talking about elite among the elites.  (3)


 

Remember Freddy Taylor?  Who picked him up?  Bellichick, cheater or not, is among the greatest coaches the game has ever seen.  Do you really think he expected Fred to carry the ball 25 times a game?  Bellichick does that kind of thing all the time with great players that no one seems to want.  We should emulate his approach.  (his team's always tackle well too, but that's a different topic.) (4)


 

I would argue MJD was instrumental in Justin Forsett's current success, just as Fred Taylor was instrumental in Jones-Drew's.

 

See the pattern?

 

You have put a lot of effort and verbiage into your post, but I'd like to ask a few questions and point out a few things:

 

1. What "looks" exactly is Reggie Wayne going to force a Defense into? Especially considering that he, by most any measure, had his worst season ever last year.

 

2. Do you know that Wayne has an exemplary work ethic, even higher than that of the players currently on the roster? Is this all he's brought in to do?

 

3. If I was a billionaire and I wanted to win football games, I'd hire a guy who has learned how to relate to people, that has good communication skills, has a high standard for himself and those around him, and has a sense of ownership of his task at hand. In other words, a coach. That's what the team has already in Jerry Sullivan so why not let him do his job?

 

4. Fred Taylor played in seven games and had 155 yards the one year he was in New England. Also, he had his lowest YPC value in his career there. And that team lost in the First Round of the Playoffs without Taylor recording a single stat in the game. Pretty sure that's not the example of a veteran pickup that you should use.

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

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Brett Favre begets Aaron Rodgers

 

Montana begets Young

 

Notice it is not merely great players leading to other great players (though that works too), but Superbowl champions leading to Superbowl champions.  

 

It works at positions too, not just personalities.  Pittsburgh begets linebackers, and defenses generally.  It's in their DNA.  The Steel Curtain set the standard, and the ensuing teams have strode for that high standard, and it is expected of them.  Want an end?  Giants.  Line?  Dallas (welcome Jeremy).  QB?  find a great one, and let him backup BB.  A WINNER...not a Henne.  He's mentoring him to be bad..  Hell, BB looked like him there at the end. 

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You have put a lot of effort and verbiage into your post, but I'd like to ask a few questions and point out a few things:

 

1. What "looks" exactly is Reggie Wayne going to force a Defense into? Especially considering that he, by most any measure, had his worst season ever last year.

 

2. Do you know that Wayne has an exemplary work ethic, even higher than that of the players currently on the roster? Is this all he's brought in to do?

 

3. If I was a billionaire and I wanted to win football games, I'd hire a guy who has learned how to relate to people, that has good communication skills, has a high standard for himself and those around him, and has a sense of ownership of his task at hand. In other words, a coach. That's what the team has already in Jerry Sullivan so why not let him do his job?

 

4. Fred Taylor played in seven games and had 155 yards the one year he was in New England. Also, he had his lowest YPC value in his career there. And that team lost in the First Round of the Playoffs without Taylor recording a single stat in the game. Pretty sure that's not the example of a veteran pickup that you should use.

You miss the broader point, but to reply:

 

1.  Just putting Wayne in the game requires defenses to adjust.  Especially when the previous look had a Lee, or the rook out there.  Suddenly, there's a serious threat to ANY DB in the league on the line of scrimmage. 

 

2.  I don't.  But almost no one reaches the level of excellence he achieved throughout his career without copious levels of ethic in countless areas.  He's an amazing player, I have great respect for his innumerable great catches.

 

3.  I like Sullivan well enough...he should probably be the OC.  Coaching is EQUALLY important to player skill and talent.  A great coach is priceless.  I honestly don't know, has Sullivan been on a Superbowl championship team?  I don't know much about him, but he seems good, because we have a good group.  But they are hurt all the time, and some of that is on him then.

 

4.  I recognize Freddy wasn't great 'on the field' up there.  Who was he mentoring that year, that's what I'd want to know.  They made the playoffs...I'd settle for that right now.

 

jmho - that's what fandom is all about!

 

And listen, I'm not advocating for a team full of also-rans like the Skins did a few years back.  But one (or two on this team) would be very helpful to the future.  As the other poster said, we're not gonna win the big-one this year anyway. 

 

We need an identity.  What do we want the Jaguars to be about? What is our strongest position?  Right now I guess it's TE, because Julius is our elite player.   edit:  I neglected Chris Clemons... he represents my point. He has strengthened our D-line immensely in ways that cannot be measured by mere statistics.

 

We once were a quick-strike lightning passing offense supported by Freddy's magic.  We were an AFC central smashmouth contender.  Division rivals to the mighty Steelers, and giving them a run for their money.  They set OUR standard because they were the target. Losing that division was a catastrophe for our franchise.  I still rue that day.

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There's some really bad 'logic' in this thread.


That is all.

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There's some really bad 'logic' in this thread.


That is all.

 

And it's not just in this thread.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

There's a problem with your premise - Lawrence Taylor wasn't washed up and injured when he "mentored" Strahan, nor was Joe Montana when he "mentored" Steve Young, etc.

And your idea of, "QB - find a great one and let him backup BB" is just clueless. Hey, maybe if Aaron Rogers could get out of his Packers contract, he could come here and hold a clipboard and whisper into Blake's ear.

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If I was a billionaire that wanted to WIN in the NFL, I'd pay a guy like Wayne $5 mils to keep the footballs warm if he'd agree to be a leader and train up the young bucks.  One cannot assign a dollar value to what a guy with his skill brings.  We are talking about elite among the elites.  

 

I would argue MJD was instrumental in Justin Forsett's current success, just as Fred Taylor was instrumental in Jones-Drew's.

1. What you've described is the job of a receivers coach, a guy you pay $200-250k per year tops. If Reggie Wayne is hired as an assistant wide receivers coach, fine, but you don't hire a receiver who is physically done to take the spot of one of those higher upside young guys. You certainly don't pay him $5M to do so. Coaches coach, players play.

 

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Brett Favre begets Aaron Rodgers

 

Montana begets Young

1. Brett Favre, by all accounts, hated Aaron Rodgers. He did nothing to help Rodgers succeed.

 

2. Joe Montana did not "mentor" Steve Young. The two were frequently locked in competition throughout their joint tenure in SF.

 

You miss the broader point, but to reply:

 

1.  Just putting Wayne in the game requires defenses to adjust.  Especially when the previous look had a Lee, or the rook out there.  Suddenly, there's a serious threat to ANY DB in the league on the line of scrimmage. 

 

2.  I don't.  But almost no one reaches the level of excellence he achieved throughout his career without copious levels of ethic in countless areas.  He's an amazing player, I have great respect for his innumerable great catches.

 

3.  I like Sullivan well enough...he should probably be the OC.  Coaching is EQUALLY important to player skill and talent.  A great coach is priceless.  I honestly don't know, has Sullivan been on a Superbowl championship team?  I don't know much about him, but he seems good, because we have a good group.  But they are hurt all the time, and some of that is on him then.

 

4.  I recognize Freddy wasn't great 'on the field' up there.  Who was he mentoring that year, that's what I'd want to know.  They made the playoffs...I'd settle for that right now.

 

jmho - that's what fandom is all about!

 

And listen, I'm not advocating for a team full of also-rans like the Skins did a few years back.  But one (or two on this team) would be very helpful to the future.  As the other poster said, we're not gonna win the big-one this year anyway. 

 

We need an identity.  What do we want the Jaguars to be about? What is our strongest position?  Right now I guess it's TE, because Julius is our elite player.   edit:  I neglected Chris Clemons... he represents my point. He has strengthened our D-line immensely in ways that cannot be measured by mere statistics.

 

We once were a quick-strike lightning passing offense supported by Freddy's magic.  We were an AFC central smashmouth contender.  Division rivals to the mighty Steelers, and giving them a run for their money.  They set OUR standard because they were the target. Losing that division was a catastrophe for our franchise.  I still rue that day.

1. Reggie Wayne, at this point in his career, will not draw additional coverage or force defenses to "adjust". 

 

2. Wayne was an excellent player (don't know if I'd say "amazing") five years ago. Today, he's a shell.

 

3. How are WR injuries on Jerry Sullivan? If excessive injuries can be pointed anywhere, it'd be at the strength and training guys who oversee that aspect of practice, and the head coach who helps design and set the regimen. The receivers coach has squat to do with the injuries. This is the most ridiculous argument you've advanced, and that's saying something for the guy who attributed Justin Forsett's success to his one year with a washed-up MJD.

 

4. If Belichick were given the chance to do that move over, I sincerely doubt that he would have signed Taylor. You don't pay players to "mentor". You pay coaches to do that. You pay players to produce on the field, and if they're producing on the field and they happen to give a young guy tips and tricks, cool. If they're not producing on the field, they're wasting a roster spot that could have gone to a player with more upside. It's the media that latches on to the idea that players who can't play are "great mentors" to everyone else in their position group, and worth their pay on that alone.

 

5. Chris Clemons, and Red Bryant for that matter, were not brought in to mentor. They were brought in to strengthen the defensive line. Their ability to help young guys understand Bradley's defense was a plus, but they weren't hired to fill that role. Todd Wash was. They both contributed significantly to the defense last year, which was their primary job.

 

Your arguments get more and more ridiculous as you go here. Maybe it's time to stop.

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You miss the broader point, but to reply:

 

1.  Just putting Wayne in the game requires defenses to adjust.  Especially when the previous look had a Lee, or the rook out there.  Suddenly, there's a serious threat to ANY DB in the league on the line of scrimmage. 

 

2.  I don't.  But almost no one reaches the level of excellence he achieved throughout his career without copious levels of ethic in countless areas.  He's an amazing player, I have great respect for his innumerable great catches.

 

3.  I like Sullivan well enough...he should probably be the OC.  Coaching is EQUALLY important to player skill and talent.  A great coach is priceless.  I honestly don't know, has Sullivan been on a Superbowl championship team?  I don't know much about him, but he seems good, because we have a good group.  But they are hurt all the time, and some of that is on him then.

 

4.  I recognize Freddy wasn't great 'on the field' up there.  Who was he mentoring that year, that's what I'd want to know.  They made the playoffs...I'd settle for that right now.

 

jmho - that's what fandom is all about!

 

And listen, I'm not advocating for a team full of also-rans like the Skins did a few years back.  But one (or two on this team) would be very helpful to the future.  As the other poster said, we're not gonna win the big-one this year anyway. 

 

We need an identity.  What do we want the Jaguars to be about? What is our strongest position?  Right now I guess it's TE, because Julius is our elite player.   edit:  I neglected Chris Clemons... he represents my point. He has strengthened our D-line immensely in ways that cannot be measured by mere statistics.

 

We once were a quick-strike lightning passing offense supported by Freddy's magic.  We were an AFC central smashmouth contender.  Division rivals to the mighty Steelers, and giving them a run for their money.  They set OUR standard because they were the target. Losing that division was a catastrophe for our franchise.  I still rue that day.

 

Reggie Wayne doesn't cause anyone to adjust their game plan at this point.  This isn't 2012.  He's not that guy any longer.

 

Amazing players hit a wall and see their careers end.  Wayne is 2 years past that point.

 

Sullivan is a great position coach.  That's where he needs to stay. He is at the point in his career where that's good enough.  We're lucky to have him.

 

Teams don't develop an identity by snagging guys who are done.  They develop an identity by DEVELOPING their players and creating their own stars. 

 

Clemmons was brought in because he knew the defense, and still had something left in the tank.  He wasn't brought here to mentor. 

 

Methinks you're trying to romanticize things a bit by clinging so much to history.  It's 2015.  You're welcome to join us here.

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Are we talking about signing him in a coaching capacity or what?

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"Fred Taylor played in seven games and had 155 yards the one year he was in New England. Also, he had his lowest YPC value in his career there. And that team lost in the First Round of the Playoffs without Taylor recording a single stat in the game. Pretty sure that's not the example of a veteran pickup that you should use."


Fred played two years in NE. He averaged 4.3 yards a carry and won a starting job over a few other guys in training camp the year after we cut him. He also scored 4 tds. Thing was, he only played in like 5 games that year before he got hurt. Much like his career, it makes you wonder how he could've done if he was healthy that season. He missed what, 30 something games? Healthy, he finishes his career for somewhere around 13-15 k yards, 80ish tds, and is a shoe in for the HOF.


OK, back on topic.

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I remember the last time we signed a veteran receiver whose best years were behind him... Does anyone else remember Tory Holt? I wouldn't say he really "helped" the receiving corps. I think the whole veteran receiver thing is overblown. We have a good WR coach, we'll be fine.

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a-Rob has looked great!!! Just saying...... That is all.

This.. Also Reggie at 36?... Im straight.

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I remember the last time we signed a veteran receiver whose best years were behind him... Does anyone else remember Tory Holt? I wouldn't say he really "helped" the receiving corps. I think the whole veteran receiver thing is overblown. We have a good WR coach, we'll be fine.

 

 

Yes, but were those receivers any good to start with?

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Yes, but were those receivers any good to start with?

Did you seriously just ask if Torry Holt was any good to start with? By the time he reached us, he was washed up--just like Wayne is now--but he was one of the best receivers of the early 2000's in the Greatest Show on Turf offense.

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Anyone who doesn't know about Torry Holt's bent - backwards finger should give that a google. It's pretty gross.

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