Ok that isnt the exact point of the investigation by Outside the Lines.  They were looking to see how much more likely it is for student athletes to get away when charged with crimes than non-athletes of the same age... which obviously isnt shocking news to anyone.  Anyways it appears Florida and Florida St have had the most athletes charged with crimes of any other major schools.  Quite the accomplishment.

 

The worst part of all this though is when victims are pressured into saying nothing or dropping charges in fear of what the public at large may do.  ie.. the section about DGB.  Fans are insane and way to quick to jump to the defense of some kid they've never met just in hopes they'll lead their team to victory.

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Must be a slow time for ESPN.

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<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13065247/college-athletes-major-programs-benefit-confluence-factors-somes-avoid-criminal-charges'>Ok that isnt the exact point of the investigation by Outside the Lines</a>. They were looking to see how much more likely it is for student athletes to get away when charged with crimes than non-athletes of the same age... which obviously isnt shocking news to anyone. Anyways it appears Florida and Florida St have had the most athletes charged with crimes of any other major schools. Quite the accomplishment.


The worst part of all this though is when victims are pressured into saying nothing or dropping charges in fear of what the public at large may do. ie.. the section about DGB. Fans are insane and way to quick to jump to the defense of some kid they've never met just in hopes they'll lead their team to victory.

Yep.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

I'd still rather have my players committing petty crimes than to have a coach molesting little kids.

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The interview by Rainey is an embarrassment.

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Ok that isnt the exact point of the investigation by Outside the Lines.  They were looking to see how much more likely it is for student athletes to get away when charged with crimes than non-athletes of the same age... which obviously isnt shocking news to anyone.  Anyways it appears Florida and Florida St have had the most athletes charged with crimes of any other major schools.  Quite the accomplishment.

 

The worst part of all this though is when victims are pressured into saying nothing or dropping charges in fear of what the public at large may do.  ie.. the section about DGB.  Fans are insane and way to quick to jump to the defense of some kid they've never met just in hopes they'll lead their team to victory.

 

 

Yep.

 

It goes both ways.  Everyone is too quick to point fingers at players and defend players.

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I'd still rather have my players committing petty crimes than to have a coach molesting little kids.

 

Petty Crimes?!

 

Did you not see how many assault, sexual assault, battery, robbery, amongst other crimes were discussed in that report? One victim committed suicide over the way that her specific case was handled. You call that petty?!?!

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Must be a slow time for ESPN.

 

Why do you say that?

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It goes both ways.  Everyone is too quick to point fingers at players and defend players.

 

True... but then again, I dont think a victim would be afraid to come forward because opposing fans are quick to assume guilt.

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Miami went through it, FSU went through it, and UF has gone through it. At some point every program has been through it.

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Is this really news to anyone? We all know this has been going on for years and will continue to. You will find those kind of numbers in any major college program, not just UF and FSU.

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Is this really news to anyone? We all know this has been going on for years and will continue to. You will find those kind of numbers in any major college program, not just UF and FSU.

Are you aware of what the word "most" means?

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In many instances, crimes like sexual assault and battery are concocted, or the people reporting the crime have an axe to grind or some angle they're playing.  Many times when these cases are dismissed, it's because the victim's narrative falls apart under further scrutiny.  Especially those battery charges where someone claims they were physically assaulted by an athlete. In quite a few of those cases, the victims were the instigators, and witness testimony will back that up. 

 

The problem with a lot of these student athletes, particularly at schools like UF or FSU is that they're put on this pedestal by everyone from the boosters to the coaches and fans that they develop an entitlement mentality.  They think they can pretty much get away with anything.   If they happen to be a star player, more often than not, they do.  They'll get a slap on the hand like a suspension for a half game vs. a daunting opponent like the Sisters of Mercy.  Rarely do you see star players receive appropriate punishment when they skirt the laws. 

 

There's no doubt that players at UF and FSU get preferential treatment in most instances, but not always.  We've seen players dismissed from both teams over the years as a result of boneheaded behavior.  Unfortunately, those guys usually wind up being scrubs who weren't contributing much to begin with.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Athletes at big schools also have faster access to better lawyers compared to the majority of the male population.  

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I'm going through the report and found this...

 

• Athletic department officials inserted themselves into investigations many times. Some tried to control when and where police talked with athletes; others insisted on being present during player interviews, alerted defense attorneys, conducted their own investigations before contacting police, or even, in one case, handled potential crime-scene evidence. Some police officials were torn about proper procedure -- unsure when to seek a coach's or athletic director's assistance when investigating crimes.

• Some athletic programs have, in effect, a team lawyer who showed up at a crime scene or jail or police department -- sometimes even before an athlete requested legal counsel. The lawyers, sometimes called by athletic department officials, were often successful in giving athletes an edge in evading prosecution -- from minor offenses to major crimes.

• The high profiles of the athletic programs and athletes had a chilling effect on whether cases were even brought to police and how they were investigated. Numerous cases never resulted in charges because accusers and witnesses were afraid to detail wrongdoing, feared harassment from fans and the media, or were pressured to drop charges in the interest of the sports programs.

 

Point 1 - Shouldn't the police force be aware of the proper procedure?  Regardless, if the player wants someone there with them to talk then they should be allowed.  If the person speaking with the player isn't happy with that, don't talk to them.  I'd say its very similar to a lawyer.  I'm not even sure if thats allowed, but if thats the best way to get them to talk, do they have another option?

 

Point 2 - If everyone was able to that representation, they'd take it.  The athletes apparently chose the right school.

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There's a point where Lizzy Seeberg and Notre Dame football are mentioned.  I did a little more digging and found this Deadspin article.

 

Make sure you read the passage from the attorney.  I mean I'm sure the girl killed herself because she was falsely accusing a football player.

 

http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you

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There's a point where Lizzy Seeberg and Notre Dame football are mentioned.  I did a little more digging and found this Deadspin article.

 

Make sure you read the passage from the attorney.  I mean I'm sure the girl killed herself because she was falsely accusing a football player.

 

http://deadspin.com/5897809/this-is-what...ulting-you

 

Yea if anyone ever takes the time to read through that whole tragedy, I'm not sure how anyone with any sort of decent morals could ever root for Notre Dame or Brian Kelly ever again.  

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Yea if anyone ever takes the time to read through that whole tragedy, I'm not sure how anyone with any sort of decent morals could ever root for Notre Dame or Brian Kelly ever again.  

 

I had never even heard of that story.  After she went to the police about it, it took them two weeks to speak with the alleged football player that raped her.  They said they were unable to locate him, except that 3 days after she had gone to the police they had a home football game.  They also have regularly scheduled practices.

 

That's shameful and it looks like the football program (and the policy of not allowing police into campus athletic facilities) was started with Charlie Weis.

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These are just "petty crimes" that are "mostly made up" and will falter under scrutiny.

 

I mean, this is only one specific case, so why make a big deal out of it, right? Let's just state that this is how  things are and blankly accept our fate as a culture and not do anything to improve the situation.

 

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This stuff sickens me to the core. To me, it's nothing more than a programmatic approach towards subverting accountability and consequences and we are letting it happen. I really hope that we can find a way to change this culture, sooner rather than later.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Are you aware of what the word "most" means?

If you took time to read the article you would discover they only polled 10 schools. I imagine the numbers would be similar across the board if it had been done for every school. You mean to tell me athletes get away with more than the normal citizen??? How shocking this article is. It's sad but it happens and not just with athletes.

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