Gosh, dem dar big ol wourds sure do make us ol hiks feel dum.

I'm sure

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Let me just say I'm not a fan of Franklin Graham, but he makes perfect sense here.........



“We are <a class="bbc_url" href='http://conservativetribune.com/american-muslims-shariah/'>under attack by Muslims</a> at home and abroad,”


“We should stop all immigration of Muslims to the U.S. until this threat with Islam has been settled.”


We barred both Japanese and Germans immigrants during World War II. Since we are at war with <a class="bbc_url" href='http://conservativetribune.com/locations-inside-america-islam/'>radical Islam</a>, it therefore would make no sense for us to keep permitting Muslim immigrants into our country.

We also interned the Japanese in the country ala Nazis. Should we do the same with the Muslims in the country? No you know what, dont bother answering that. We know what your disgusting answer would be.

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Do you think it's possible to reverse the kind of mind warping that's being done to them? The combination of religion, class warfare, and racism that makes up their indoctrination starting basically at birth seems to be pretty difficult to dissuade.

Replace racism with bigotry and you've got a truly meta commentary on America there.

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Replace racism with bigotry and you've got a truly meta commentary on America there.

 

Do you find any belief in America comparable to the "killing the infidel means a heavenly reward" dogma of radical Islam?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It is a gross oversimplification. That's not to say that reasonable ideas like giving extra scrutiny to people with Iranian ties seeking to enter the US should be discounted. Radical Islam is a problem. It's not the civilization ender that Drifter, D6 and FBT would have you believe, but it is a threat, and if making it harder for people with ties to Iran to get into the country mitigates that threat any, it's an avenue worth pursuing.

Very true and something a lot people from different word views would find rational. That's the problem though, too many people move the goal post from rational to hysterical and wedge their fear into discussion, inciting others.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international...sm/258156/.


Who wants to outlaw furniture?!?!?!

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Seriously though, there are some really backward opinions on here. In saying that we do seem to finally be moving forward socially as a nation. It has taken time, too much time and we will take some steps back as we move toward a better future.

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Do you find any belief in America comparable to the "killing the infidel means a heavenly reward" dogma of radical Islam?

 

Do you have any proof showing that particular belief was the motivation for any of the recent attacks on our soil?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

LOL, I get your point.  However, I do think that I pointed out that yes, I was "profiling" or "stereotyping"  in my assessment as far as what was going on.  I do agree with you somewhat, but as a "military person" that served during the time that I did as well as working for the military since then, assembling a "point of view" based on a person's name is pretty much a "natural" thing for me.  Is it wrong?  Perhaps, but that's what my experience has taught me over the years.

 

I'll admit that I "jumped the gun" when I identified this as having something to do with radical Islam, but that's just instinct.  Fortunately for me, I was correct in my assessment.

 

Is it a "dangerous" way to view the world?  Perhaps to some, but not to me.

 

Is it a "pathetic" way to view the world?  Yes and no.  My "military tactical mind" puts 2+2 together and comes up with a solution.  My "personal mind" doesn't judge people (to the best of my ability) based on race, religion, color, etc.

 

It's really hard to express how I process things like this in my mind.

 

I disagree with alot of what you say.  And on this topic, I think you are way off base.  But for the life of me, I just can't be angry with you.

 

Pathetic is probably not the word I would use to describe you, my good sir.  I retract it, and replace it with "not the way I would" view the world.

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Do you have any proof showing that particular belief was the motivation for any of the recent attacks on our soil?

 

Here's a link to a few:

 

http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/17/fbi-s...-shooting/

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I disagree with alot of what you say.  And on this topic, I think you are way off base.  But for the life of me, I just can't be angry with you.

 

Pathetic is probably not the word I would use to describe you, my good sir.  I retract it, and replace it with "not the way I would" view the world.

 

I understand.  I just have a different view of certain things than you.  There is nothing wrong with that.

 

My point that I was making was this.  Much of my career has been military related starting with Desert Storm.  In the years that followed 9/11/2001 my views changed more dramatically, and my experiences working with members that have been "boots on the ground" in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as a few other places) slanted my view even further.  One of the more recent events that has happened since then includes a guy by the name of Nidal Malik Hasan that commits a mass shooting on a military base.

 

Look at more recent news stories of planned attacks that have been foiled by those with radical islamic ties or leanings.

 

When I hear that a gunman attacks 2 military locations in this day and age, and I find out that his name is Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, well it kind of tells me all that I need to know.

 

Now you are certainly free to express your opinion regarding how I view things.  Is the way that I view things "right or wrong"?  I guess it all depends on an individual's belief and experiences.  It kind of reminds me of one of my favorite Ronald Reagan quotes, and please don't take this as me calling you ignorant.

 

“It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.”

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Here's a link to a few:

 

http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/17/fbi-s...-shooting/

 

Yes, he was a Muslim. You still did not show he killed in particular because he thought if he did he'd go to heaven. You just make that assumption based on your intimate knowledge of Islam and how it is interpreted and applied by EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD!

 

Right?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Yes, he was a Muslim. You still did not show he killed in particular because he thought if he did he'd go to heaven. You just make that assumption based on your intimate knowledge of Islam and how it is interpreted and applied by EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD!

 

Right?

 

I didn't realize you thought EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD had been radicalized. How judgmental of you.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

uslim that

 

I didn't realize you thought EVERY MUSLIM IN THE WORLD had been radicalized. How judgmental of you.

 

That's a deflection. Even within the ranks of radicalized Muslims, there are varied interpretations and applications of the Koran. If they all believe and act exactly as the shooter, we'd have attacks 24/7.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I disagree with alot of what you say.  And on this topic, I think you are way off base.  But for the life of me, I just can't be angry with you.

 

Pathetic is probably not the word I would use to describe you, my good sir.  I retract it, and replace it with "not the way I would" view the world.

Have you been in the military? Most of us who have think very similar to what jagibelieve stated. We may not have before we went in but we sure do afterward. And the longer you're in that environment, whether active duty, contractor, or both the more you tend to think that way. It tends to keep you alive longer.

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Have you been in the military? Most of us who have think very similar to what jagibelieve stated. We may not have before we went in but we sure do afterward. And the longer you're in that environment, whether active duty, contractor, or both the more you tend to think that way. It tends to keep you alive longer.

With all due respect, I think there is a bias that occurs when you are occupying a country as a foreign invader as opposed to a peaceful civilian.


Feeling one is being oppressed or occupied by a foreign invader can cause violence, no matter what one's religion or ethnic background...


So what our military experiences while serving in those types of scenarios of course results in you not trusting anyone in that nation. But to assume that they are all trying to kill you/us because they are Muslim ignores one other possibility...


they are trying to kill you because they don't want you occupying their country/nation/land.

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With all due respect, I think there is a bias that occurs when you are occupying a country as a foreign invader as opposed to a peaceful civilian.


Feeling one is being oppressed or occupied by a foreign invader can cause violence, no matter what one's religion or ethnic background...


So what our military experiences while serving in those types of scenarios of course results in you not trusting anyone in that nation. But to assume that they are all trying to kill you/us because they are Muslim ignores one other possibility...


they are trying to kill you because they don't want you occupying their country/nation/land.

 

Yep, if only Charles Martel hadn't been occupying southern France...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

With all due respect, I think there is a bias that occurs when you are occupying a country as a foreign invader as opposed to a peaceful civilian.


Feeling one is being oppressed or occupied by a foreign invader can cause violence, no matter what one's religion or ethnic background...


So what our military experiences while serving in those types of scenarios of course results in you not trusting anyone in that nation. But to assume that they are all trying to kill you/us because they are Muslim ignores one other possibility...


they are trying to kill you because they don't want you occupying their country/nation/land.

I get what you're saying, but you can't really believe there are not people in THIS country who mean to do us harm. These people that are doing stuff here live HERE. If they were so concerned about their country they would still be living there and fighting us there. 

 

For the most part people come here to get away from their crappy countries which I take to mean they want nothing to do with it anymore (that would be me anyway). So why come here to kill people who are oppressing a country you no longer have ties to? 

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With all due respect, I think there is a bias that occurs when you are occupying a country as a foreign invader as opposed to a peaceful civilian.


Feeling one is being oppressed or occupied by a foreign invader can cause violence, no matter what one's religion or ethnic background...


So what our military experiences while serving in those types of scenarios of course results in you not trusting anyone in that nation. But to assume that they are all trying to kill you/us because they are Muslim ignores one other possibility...


they are trying to kill you because they don't want you occupying their country/nation/land.

 

So Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez attacked military facilities because we are "occupying" his country/nation/land?  Last time I checked, his country/nation/land happens to be The U.S.A..  I also don't think that we are occupying his country of birth (Kuwait) or his original country of citizenship (Jordan).

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez attacked military facilities because we are "occupying" his country/nation/land? Last time I checked, his country/nation/land happens to be The U.S.A.. I also don't think that we are occupying his country of birth (Kuwait) or his original country of citizenship (Jordan).

That's one outlier...


And also, was talking specifically about the bias from serving in the middle east... bringing up the homegrown one changes the discussion, and could be seen as defection.

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