There would be almost no chance of being sacked on that play. The closest player to him was the guy that Thomas had beaten, and he wasn't peeling over to Bortles. I'd say the best play probably would have been tossing it further down the field to Robinson like they did to Benn in a later drive, but I'd always rather see the team trying to push it down the field than taking the underneath throw. Throwing short can be the right choice, but given that the corner never turned his hips I'd rather see Bortles be aggressive and see what Robinson can do against a trailing CB and maybe a safety.


The real problem here is how you and some others fail to actually recognize that JT wasn't obviously open. There's a difference between having space around a guy and him being obviously open. Still, I tire of arguing pointlessly with someone that doesn't understand what they're even looking at when they watch the film. I doubt the Jaguars come out and say the Bortles failed to read the coverage properly, or did something he did a lot of last year and just decided ahead of time who he was going to throw it to before the play actually developed, but it's clear watching the actual play what he should have done, which is either thrown the ball to Robinson in the honey hole since the steelers didn't commit fully to covering him, or strung the play out some more with the possibility of throwing it away.

You have written like 10 pages about how Blake made a bad decision. Could you please provide a single concise statement that Blake could carry with him moving forward? He won't exactly have time to make a pros and cons list out there. Nor will he have the benefit of third person view of the entire field. We appreciate your input and look forward to your next contribution to a silly argument over an inconsequential detail.

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Does anyone who has All 22 (?) have knowledge of other targets available to Bortles on the play to Thomas?  In the stills, I saw Robinson along the sideline.  Were there any other players open on the play?

 

Understand he is rolling against his arm to the left on the play.  It would have been quite difficult and likely foolish for him to stop and throw back across the field to a back side pattern.

 

I'm not fully prepared to assign blame to Bortles unless I know he had better options.

 

All22 not up yet for this game. Usually takes at least 24 hrs for them to add that feature after broadcast.  Not even sure they do it for preseason - but I'll check late tonight or tomorrow AM.

 

His other options were Marcedes over the middle but a bit more "covered" than Thomas and Allen Robinson down the sideline (roll-out side) - but it was that corner who initially was stride for stride with Robinson but looked back anticipating the TE pass and made the low hit. Robinson was covered till the CB saw Bortles looking at Thomas. 

 

Giving AR15 a jump ball to the sideline could be argued as a better option there.  He either goes up and gets it or its likely just incomplete.  Still -- I don't think the pass to JT was so wrong. The CB made a nice move to get there quick and JT landed awkwardly.  It happens. 

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There would be almost no chance of being sacked on that play. The closest player to him was the guy that Thomas had beaten, and he wasn't peeling over to Bortles. I'd say the best play probably would have been tossing it further down the field to Robinson like they did to Benn in a later drive, but I'd always rather see the team trying to push it down the field than taking the underneath throw. Throwing short can be the right choice, but given that the corner never turned his hips I'd rather see Bortles be aggressive and see what Robinson can do against a trailing CB and maybe a safety.

 

The real problem here is how you and some others fail to actually recognize that JT wasn't obviously open. There's a difference between having space around a guy and him being obviously open. Still, I tire of arguing pointlessly with someone that doesn't understand what they're even looking at when they watch the film. I doubt the Jaguars come out and say the Bortles failed to read the coverage properly, or did something he did a lot of last year and just decided ahead of time who he was going to throw it to before the play actually developed, but it's clear watching the actual play what he should have done, which is either thrown the ball to Robinson in the honey hole since the steelers didn't commit fully to covering him, or strung the play out some more with the possibility of throwing it away.

 

Go back to your Madden NFL game and play it again.  Perhaps you'll stop embarrassing yourself by saying that there was nobody close to Bortles that could have gotten a sack.  Perhaps you will come to the conclusion that the closest player to him (as shown in the screen shots) was not someone that Thomas had beaten.  I would like to see your "evidence" that Robinson was open, and that would have been a better play.  Look at "the tape" which is nothing more than an NFL highlight reel and show us.

 

I would be interested in your take about how a guy that doesn't have a defender covering him is not "clearly open".  I clearly understand what I am looking at.  If a receiver doesn't have a defender within 5 yards of him, I would call that open.

 

You seem to be fixated on the defender's hips.  Look at the first screen shot that I posted.  Are you looking at the hips, or perhaps a region close to the hips?

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Well the Jags are undefeated since my daughter was born on Wednesday so..... Maybe she broke our curse.

If so you need to have more kids. Congrats!

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Rothlisberger and the Steelers offense spanked our first team defense on that first drive.  That is my biggest concern coming out of the game.

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Rothlisberger and the Steelers offense spanked our first team defense on that first drive. That is my biggest concern coming out of the game.

Was The Jags first preseason game and first drive.. It was Pitt's second game..


Deep breaths..

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Rothlisberger and the Steelers offense spanked our first team defense on that first drive. That is my biggest concern coming out of the game.

Roethlisberger and the Steelers offense spank a lot of first team defenses, he's a hall of fame QB playing behind a dominate offensive line with big time threats at receiver and in the backfield.

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Rothlisberger and the Steelers offense spanked our first team defense on that first drive. That is my biggest concern coming out of the game.

It's a concern, but we didn't play any of our DL starters. Had House not gotten beat idk if they would have scored on that drive. And House made up for it with some tight coverage the rest of the game. Not concerned yet. I think McCray may have earned a shot to start outside in House's place though next week

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Stop embarrassing yourself. No one is close to Bortles in your screenshots and he's still 15 to 20 yards from the sideline when he decides to make the throw. Thomas has a guy chasing him and the corner in the short zone never turned his hips downfield. He was waiting for that dinky little piece of crap throw so he could take out Thomas's knee and he did. The Steelers knew that dinky throw it out of the playbook play was coming and Bortles fell for it and thank God Thomas didn't get his ACL popped through Bortles hasty bad decision.

Your joking right? If you are not you to learn how to watch football. Unbelievable

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Rothlisberger and the Steelers offense spanked our first team defense on that first drive.

Yeah. Marks, Odrick and Clemons were pretty much invisible on that drive; that's a concern.

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Yeah. Marks, Odrick and Clemons were pretty much invisible on that drive; that's a concern.

It's like they weren't even in the game

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Go back to your Madden NFL game and play it again.  Perhaps you'll stop embarrassing yourself by saying that there was nobody close to Bortles that could have gotten a sack.  Perhaps you will come to the conclusion that the closest player to him (as shown in the screen shots) was not someone that Thomas had beaten.  I would like to see your "evidence" that Robinson was open, and that would have been a better play.  Look at "the tape" which is nothing more than an NFL highlight reel and show us.

 

I would be interested in your take about how a guy that doesn't have a defender covering him is not "clearly open".  I clearly understand what I am looking at.  If a receiver doesn't have a defender within 5 yards of him, I would call that open.

 

You seem to be fixated on the defender's hips.  Look at the first screen shot that I posted.  Are you looking at the hips, or perhaps a region close to the hips?

 

I'll explain it one more time for you. Your first picture clearly shows the corner (22) doesn't have his hips turned (parallel to the line of scrimmage) to pursue Robinson. His hips are to the inside of the field, which is why he's so easily able to turn and come back to hit Thomas low. Bortles likely had already decided he was going to Thomas before he even looked at the downfield coverage. As I said earlier (and NYC4Jags confirmed) the correct target in that case would be Robinson on the sideline as the corner wasn't committing to him and appeared to have a good idea about what Bortles was going to do on the play. Whatever the reason is for the corner deciding to not commit to coverage of Robinson is what should have been Bortles' key on where to go with the pass, not whether a guy two yards downfield had a trailing linebacker or a rusher 7-10 yards from him was any threat as he rolled to the sideline (which the rusher wasn't). JT was the wrong read on the play due to what the corner was doing. If JT makes a great play and the corner makes a bad one it's decent gain, but if Bortles lofts it downfield and Allen Robinson makes a good play it's likely at least a 25 yard pass and if it's a good pass and the safety does a poor job, maybe even a TD.

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Many, my friend. Many.

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I'll explain it one more time for you. Your first picture clearly shows the corner (22) doesn't have his hips turned (parallel to the line of scrimmage) to pursue Robinson. His hips are to the inside of the field, which is why he's so easily able to turn and come back to hit Thomas low. Bortles likely had already decided he was going to Thomas before he even looked at the downfield coverage. As I said earlier (and NYC4Jags confirmed) the correct target in that case would be Robinson on the sideline as the corner wasn't committing to him and appeared to have a good idea about what Bortles was going to do on the play. Whatever the reason is for the corner deciding to not commit to coverage of Robinson is what should have been Bortles' key on where to go with the pass, not whether a guy two yards downfield had a trailing linebacker or a rusher 7-10 yards from him was any threat as he rolled to the sideline (which the rusher wasn't). JT was the wrong read on the play due to what the corner was doing. If JT makes a great play and the corner makes a bad one it's decent gain, but if Bortles lofts it downfield and Allen Robinson makes a good play it's likely at least a 25 yard pass and if it's a good pass and the safety does a poor job, maybe even a TD.

Robinson was being double covered. The safety immediately drops back and heads toward the sideline covering Robinson deep and #22 is covering him underneath.

 

You see the safety drop back and angle toward the sideline as soon as the ball is snapped. That's why Bortles didn't go to Robinson. The defense was focusing on Robinson.

 

Bortles went where he should have gone. It's just unfortunate JT got hurt on the play.

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Robinson was being double covered. The safety immediately drops back and heads toward the sideline covering Robinson deep and #22 is covering him underneath.

 

You see the safety drop back and angle toward the sideline as soon as the ball is snapped. That's why Bortles didn't go to Robinson. The defense was focusing on Robinson.

 

Bortles went where he should have gone. It's just unfortunate JT got hurt on the play.

 

Yes, the safety had the deep coverage, and it looks like it was just a two deep zone with the CB recognizing the underneath to JT immediately. The CB never turned his hips to stay in coverage with Robinson and had already broken on the Thomas throw by the time it left Bortles hand. Robinson was the play there he wasn't actually doubled, he had just been handed off in a two deep zone. It looks like Bortles had already decided to go to Thomas. I can see your argument about Robinson, but I disagree.

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Robinson was being double covered. The safety immediately drops back and heads toward the sideline covering Robinson deep and #22 is covering him underneath.

 

You see the safety drop back and angle toward the sideline as soon as the ball is snapped. That's why Bortles didn't go to Robinson. The defense was focusing on Robinson.

 

Bortles went where he should have gone. It's just unfortunate JT got hurt on the play.

Disagree...Bortles should have kept it or threw it away.. Stevie Wonder could see Thomas was gonna get blasted for no gain (or minimal gain ) as soon as he caught the ball.

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Who was the receiver that Bortles missed at the goal line the first time? I thought it was Clay Harbor, but it seems that everyone talks about him missing the long pass across the field.

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Yes, the safety had the deep coverage, and it looks like it was just a two deep zone with the CB recognizing the underneath to JT immediately. The CB never turned his hips to stay in coverage with Robinson and had already broken on the Thomas throw by the time it left Bortles hand. Robinson was the play there he wasn't actually doubled, he had just been handed off in a two deep zone. It looks like Bortles had already decided to go to Thomas. I can see your argument about Robinson, but I disagree.

Robinson was covered from the snap. The safety went deep to cover Robinson and #22 was following him, so the read would have been to go underneath to JT.

 

#22 didn't break on JT until Bortles cocked to throw. He is reading the QB. If Bortles had thrown to Robinson, #22 would have never cut back to JT. He would have stayed with Robinson and the pass would have ended up in double coverage.

 

JT took about 4 steps before he was hit, so it is not like he lead him into the collision. #22 just reacted quickly and made the play. That's what happens in the NFL. Players will make good plays. In a game of inches, you sometimes have to take the two yards that are available and leave yourself with a manageable 3rd and 4.

 

JT just landed wrong and broke his finger. That could have happened in the most mundane of football situations.

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The first drive by the Steelers was concerning, but yeah, it was first game but a 45 yd TD pass? Ugh.

Bortles looked far more comfortable, and even looked like he was having fun.

Hopefully the injuries are not too serious, but when Thomas went out, I thought... No waaaay. Are we totally jinxed. Fowler in the first hour of practice, Thomas after two plays??


But again, BB looked poised and ready to take the next step.


Joeckel? Better tighten up.


Conclusion. First exhibition game. Pffft.

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61k in attendance for preseason. That's really impressive

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