Now watch Teddy Bridgewater dissect the 49er's defense on Monday night, and our lives as jags fans are complete.

Nope.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

If this were fantasy land, I'd trade Bortles and our first this year for Mariota. And I like Blake, I really think with the right development he can be a top 15 QB.


But Mariota is on another level. He's one of those rooks that you know is special right away, because he steps right into the NFL and is one of the best players on the field.

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It was one game, and while I agree Mariota looked fantastic (he is a rookie), he will make mistakes this year!

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If this were fantasy land, I'd trade Bortles and our first this year for Mariota. And I like Blake, I really think with the right development he can be a top 15 QB.


But Mariota is on another level. He's one of those rooks that you know is special right away, because he steps right into the NFL and is one of the best players on the field.

Just like Vince Young and RG3. Trust me, its coming. It may not happen right away but you can only hide your QBs deficiencies for so long. Mariota can't read defenses and its going to bite him in the butt soon.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Just like Vince Young and RG3. Trust me, its coming. It may not happen right away but you can only hide your QBs deficiencies for so long. Mariota can't read defenses and its going to bite him in the butt soon.

Exactly. How many times do these guys same type of guys come out like the next big thing then fall off the earth?

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Wow the Mariota envy here is strong.  VY was an [BLEEP] who refused to work hard or accept constructive coaching.  Mariota has been a gym/film rat and seems to have no issues taking direction from the coaches.  RGIII did most of his damage in year 1 when he was on the run.  Mariota did all of his damage last week from the pocket. 

 

No one is enshrining him into the HOF yet, but I think the comparisons to VY and RGIII are a bit weak.  Why not compare him to Luck or Wilson? 

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Wow the Mariota envy here is strong. VY was an [BAD WORD REMOVED] who refused to work hard or accept constructive coaching. Mariota has been a gym/film rat and seems to have no issues taking direction from the coaches. RGIII did most of his damage in year 1 when he was on the run. Mariota did all of his damage last week from the pocket.


No one is enshrining him into the HOF yet, but I think the comparisons to VY and RGIII are a bit weak. Why not compare him to Luck or Wilson?

Both Luck and Wilson played in pro style offenses in college.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Both Luck and Wilson played in pro style offenses in college.

So did Winston...

 

Lets not compare him to anyone until we see a few more games.   This week he plays the Browns who are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but they do have a more solid D than Tampa.   They at least will throw different looks at him and we will see how he responds.

 

As a Titans fan you can be optimistic and who wouldn't rather see him play the way he did than flop like most rookies in their first outing.     

 

Comparing Mariota to VY is a joke though, cmon guys.  I know you are more intelligent than that.

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Now watch Teddy Bridgewater dissect the 49er's defense on Monday night, and our lives as jags fans are complete.

 

 

LOL. If you watched the game Teddy looked horrid, and for that matter Derek Carr looked nearly as bad. While these two did finish with better rookie stats than Blake, I think it's more than fair to argue that Blake, even with his porous game against the Panthers, looks much, much better than Teddy and Derek. Needless to say, Winston has looked like garbage throughout the preseason and especially week one.


 

As for Mariota, I'm simply wondering if he'll be able to keep it up after teams gather tape on him. He has a very low release, and NFL history has shown that such a release usually comes back to bite players. The Bucs actually dropped an easy pick-six that would have dropped his qb rating to a 132.3. I know the kid is tall with an extremely fast release, but will he still be considered a football god after defenders realize they can knock down his passes by getting a hand up?


 

Speaking of a perfect qb rating, I'm surprised we don't see this more often. A few deep passes with enough TDs wihout an INT will get a qb there. I'm often looking at college qb results that would easily be a perfect rating in the NFL.

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LOL. If you watched the game Teddy looked horrid, and for that matter Derek Carr looked nearly as bad. While these two did finish with better rookie stats than Blake, I think it's more than fair to argue that Blake, even with his porous game against the Panthers, looks much, much better than Teddy and Derek. Needless to say, Winston has looked like garbage throughout the preseason and especially week one.


 

As for Mariota, I'm simply wondering if he'll be able to keep it up after teams gather tape on him. He has a very low release, and NFL history has shown that such a release usually comes back to bite players. The Bucs actually dropped an easy pick-six that would have dropped his qb rating to a 132.3. I know the kid is tall with an extremely fast release, but will he still be considered a football god after defenders realize they can knock down his passes by getting a hand up?


 

Speaking of a perfect qb rating, I'm surprised we don't see this more often. A few deep passes with enough TDs wihout an INT will get a qb there. I'm often looking at college qb results that would easily be a perfect rating in the NFL.

 

To say the Bucs dropped an easy pick 6 isn't being genuine, or perhaps ill-informed. It's true Mariota made a bad throw and the LB made a great play on the ball, but if you saw the front angle of the play you could see the LB was only able to get one hand on the ball and it was below his knees. I've been watching football for a long time and that has never turned into an easy pick 6. As for not being to able to stand tall in the pocket and get the ball out over defenders, all you have to do is look at Mariota on his first drive--the 20+ yard completion on 3rd and long. 

 

But regardless, one throw considered in isolation is besides the point. Look at Mariota's overall body of work since being drafted. He's done nothing but drawn rave reviews from coaches and every player he's worked with or played against. From the entire preaseason to game one, Mariota has show extreme poise and leadership. He has tremendous accuracy, anticipation, and awareness. He goes through reads well and throws with an incredibly quick release. Not to mention he has been great throwing on the run too. Of course it is still early in his career and he will have many tougher tests to overcome. He is going to make mistakes and he has a lot to learn, but negatives have been few and far between. The guy is the best QB prospect since Luck, and has the potential to be the best QB in the league. 

 

Does it even matter that Blake may or not be better than Carr or Bridgewater (I think he isn't), because they both suck too. Until the Jags get a QB with the type of production of Luck or Mariota, they will not be able to compete in the AFC South.

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To say the Bucs dropped an easy pick 6 isn't being genuine, or perhaps ill-informed. It's true Mariota made a bad throw and the LB made a great play on the ball, but if you saw the front angle of the play you could see the LB was only able to get one hand on the ball and it was below his knees. I've been watching football for a long time and that has never turned into an easy pick 6. As for not being to able to stand tall in the pocket and get the ball out over defenders, all you have to do is look at Mariota on his first drive--the 20+ yard completion on 3rd and long. 

 

But regardless, one throw considered in isolation is besides the point. Look at Mariota's overall body of work since being drafted. He's done nothing but drawn rave reviews from coaches and every player he's worked with or played against. From the entire preaseason to game one, Mariota has show extreme poise and leadership. He has tremendous accuracy, anticipation, and awareness. He goes through reads well and throws with an incredibly quick release. Not to mention he has been great throwing on the run too. Of course it is still early in his career and he will have many tougher tests to overcome. He is going to make mistakes and he has a lot to learn, but negatives have been few and far between. The guy is the best QB prospect since Luck, and has the potential to be the best QB in the league. 

 

Does it even matter that Blake may or not be better than Carr or Bridgewater (I think he isn't), because they both suck too. Until the Jags get a QB with the type of production of Luck or Mariota, they will not be able to compete in the AFC South.

 

 

I don't think we really know how good Blake can be, but I do think we saw flashes of his potential this preseason. There's plenty of reason to think that he's improving and very well may develop into one of the better qbs in this league capable of getting the Jaguars to the Super Bowl.


 

As for the potential pick six, unfortunately I don't get to see every replay angle. I watch the cut-ups of every game meaning I see every play in the NFL once, but not every replay unless it was a huge play. It looked to me like an easy drop, but I'll trust you had a better view of the play. I'm not suggesting that Mariota is anything short of a good starting qb in this league already, but I do think some of the accolades being thrown around should wait until he's at least had a few games under his belt. Again, teams have yet to even gather tape on the kid let alone game plan for him.

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I don't think we really know how good Blake can be, but I do think we saw flashes of his potential this preseason. There's plenty of reason to think that he's improving and very well may develop into one of the better qbs in this league capable of getting the Jaguars to the Super Bowl.


 

As for the potential pick six, unfortunately I don't get to see every replay angle. I watch the cut-ups of every game meaning I see every play in the NFL once, but not every replay unless it was a huge play. It looked to me like an easy drop, but I'll trust you had a better view of the play. I'm not suggesting that Mariota is anything short of a good starting qb in this league already, but I do think some of the accolades being thrown around should wait until he's at least had a few games under his belt. Again, teams have yet to even gather tape on the kid let alone game plan for him.

 

I'm interested in your reasons that you think he may very well develop into one of the better QBs in the league. Because I can't think of a single one. Both Luck's list and Mariota's list are seemingly endless, and all I see on Bortles' list are excuses.

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I'm interested in your reasons that you think he may very well develop into one of the better QBs in the league. Because I can't think of a single one. Both Luck's list and Mariota's list are seemingly endless, and all I see on Bortles' list are excuses.

 

 

This offseason Blake went out of his way to work with an expert on his throwing motion and mechanics, and we saw the results of that effort from the camp practices, scrimmage and preseason. Again, preseason can't be relied on to show much more than future potential as teams don't game plan, etc, however in his last two starts he converted 75 percent on the team's third down situations. In a given season, you almost never hear of a team converting even half of their third downs. This preseason Blain was so sharp with his passes that his only misses were drops. He didn't throw passes away...they didn't hit the ground...they weren't intercepted. Pass after pass landed right smack in receivers hands. He also showed us that he understands how to look off defenders to help his receivers get open.


 

In week one we had three more cases of Blake nailing receivers right in their hands only to have them dropped. Blake doesn't shy away like Gabbert, and he's shown the ability to feel and avoid pressure, including the ability to take off and run when there's an opening and everyone is covered. He's also shown the ability to make virtually every throw although his fades this past week were a bit questionable. I also like how when you give Blake time, he knows it and will go through his progressions to see if someone is coming free deeper downfield. He doesn't just check down constantly like Henne, he doesn't run from ghost pressure like Gabbert, and he doesn't have a long wind-up like Leftwich. I was surprised to see some of Blakes deep passes sail on him, although some of his deeper throws were strikes, and he was nailing all of his shorter passes which was a bit of an issue with him last year. Finally, unlike Mariota, Blake throws the ball with a textbook arc allowing his passes to land with touch, and his arm is strong enough to get the ball deep if need be. We're talking about a tall, tough qb whose passes were timed out of college at 57 mph which ranks right up there with the better qbs in this league.

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'02

So did Winston...

 

Lets not compare him to anyone until we see a few more games.   This week he plays the Browns who are not good by any stretch of the imagination, but they do have a more solid D than Tampa.   They at least will throw different looks at him and we will see how he responds.

 

As a Titans fan you can be optimistic and who wouldn't rather see him play the way he did than flop like most rookies in their first outing.     

 

Comparing Mariota to VY is a joke though, cmon guys.  I know you are more intelligent than that.

Yeah, so? The majority of pro style guys bust too, but the Mariota guys virtually always bust. It really is not a joke though. We've seen too many of these guys have success and immediately flame out. At the time everybody says their different.

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Hahahah, this hype around Mariota! The guy had a field day because Tampa is TERRIBLE. You guys just need to wait until he plays against real defenses that will expose him. The Titans are not good, the Bucs are worse, and Mariota isn't anything special.

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Yeah, so? The majority of pro style guys bust too, but the Mariota guys virtually always bust. It really is not a joke though. We've seen too many of these guys have success and immediately flame out. At the time everybody says their different.

I completely agree you can compare him to players like RG3 at this point, since he has only played one game and RG3 had a ridiculous rookie season.  I am just saying comparing him to VY is a joke.  VY did not have one single game where he looked halfway decent.  He won some games but his stat lines were horrible and he tucked and ran as soon as he could.

 

Mariota ran like 2 times for 6 yards.    So when you say "Mariota guys" I would not throw VY in that conversation.

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Friendly reminder that the Jaguars also traded away the same pick that was used to select Joe Flacco.

But we got a pro-bowler for him. I mean haven't you seen Derrick Harvey play?!?!?!?!?

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This offseason Blake went out of his way to work with an expert on his throwing motion and mechanics, and we saw the results of that effort from the camp practices, scrimmage and preseason. Again, preseason can't be relied on to show much more than future potential as teams don't game plan, etc, however in his last two starts he converted 75 percent on the team's third down situations. In a given season, you almost never hear of a team converting even half of their third downs. This preseason Blain was so sharp with his passes that his only misses were drops. He didn't throw passes away...they didn't hit the ground...they weren't intercepted. Pass after pass landed right smack in receivers hands. He also showed us that he understands how to look off defenders to help his receivers get open.


 

In week one we had three more cases of Blake nailing receivers right in their hands only to have them dropped. Blake doesn't shy away like Gabbert, and he's shown the ability to feel and avoid pressure, including the ability to take off and run when there's an opening and everyone is covered. He's also shown the ability to make virtually every throw although his fades this past week were a bit questionable. I also like how when you give Blake time, he knows it and will go through his progressions to see if someone is coming free deeper downfield. He doesn't just check down constantly like Henne, he doesn't run from ghost pressure like Gabbert, and he doesn't have a long wind-up like Leftwich. I was surprised to see some of Blakes deep passes sail on him, although some of his deeper throws were strikes, and he was nailing all of his shorter passes which was a bit of an issue with him last year. Finally, unlike Mariota, Blake throws the ball with a textbook arc allowing his passes to land with touch, and his arm is strong enough to get the ball deep if need be. We're talking about a tall, tough qb whose passes were timed out of college at 57 mph which ranks right up there with the better qbs in this league.

 

So in reality you want to say that Bortles' list is something like:

 

Better than Henne, Gabbert, Leftwich (you could also say this about almost any NFL QB)

Looked good in preseason

Threw the ball at 57 mph in college

He throws a great deep ball and doesn't rely on checkdowns (4.6 YPA last game vs Mariota's 13)

 

Maybe you're right and the Jags do have their franchise QB. 

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Maybe you're right and the Jags do have their franchise QB. 

 

 

Good...I'm glad you finally admit it.

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So in reality you want to say that Bortles' list is something like:


Better than Henne, Gabbert, Leftwich (you could also say this about almost any NFL QB)

Looked good in preseason

Threw the ball at 57 mph in college

He throws a great deep ball and doesn't rely on checkdowns (4.6 YPA last game vs Mariota's 13)


Maybe you're right and the Jags do have their franchise QB.

Why are you even a titans fan, you weirdo? Don't yew know they like real sports in nassville, like Nascar, mud rasslin, bass fishin, or college footbaw?

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