I tend to agree with you, but Carr has progressed much more than i thought he would this year.  And Mack is ridiculous.  I don't think it's a slam dunk by any means.  Right now, Oakland is looking like the better team, Carr and Mack are a big piece of that puzzle.

 

Mack is good, yes but let's hold off on the "ridiculous" statements for a moment. Remember, this is a Defense that let Chicago score 22 points, 280+ yards in the air, and win the game. Any Given Sunday and all of that but that's a troublesome blemish on their record. As for Mack specifically, he's only had two games this season with a Sack; two versus Cleveland and one against Chicago.

 

Again, and this is just how the League is structured nowadays, but give me the QB over any pass rusher that you can come up with. They just trump everybody at every other position.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Ok, so you're ignoring my question. That's fine, but take it to another thread, that's not what i'm asking.

Not ignoring the question. I already said I'd rather have Bortles/ARob.


Bortles > Carr

And a top 10 wr is, imo, more important than a top 10 LB. Especially when that reciever grows with the QB.


The Bortles/ARob combo is stronger long term than the Carr/Mack one. Again, IMO.


Add in that we were able to snag Telvin while getting those two and it makes me feel stronger about that decision.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Not ignoring the question. I already said I'd rather have Bortles/ARob.


Bortles > Carr

And a top 10 wr is, imo, more important than a top 10 LB. Especially when that reciever grows with the QB.


The Bortles/ARob combo is stronger long term than the Carr/Mack one. Again, IMO.


Add in that we were able to snag Telvin while getting those two and it makes me feel stronger about that decision.

At this point, stats say Carr over Bortles, however I say Bortles over Carr based on potential.

 

That's a big deal since it's the QB.  With that said, Mack has blown Lee out of the water thus far.  I disagree about about top 10 WR.  I'd take a top 10 pass rusher over WR for sure.  That's why this is such a difficult question. 

 

P.S., i didn't ask about ARob, it was Lee.

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At this point, stats say Carr over Bortles, however I say Bortles over Carr based on potential.


That's a big deal since it's the QB. With that said, Mack has blown Lee out of the water thus far. I disagree about about top 10 WR. I'd take a top 10 pass rusher over WR for sure. That's why this is such a difficult question.


P.S., i didn't ask about ARob, it was Lee.

My mistake. Treestone asked Blake/ARob or Carr/Mack


Lee instead of ARob... I'd probably lean Carr/Mack for the fact that who knows what we have in Lee. My gut just says Blake will be much better and I hate to lose that for anything

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At this point, the debate about which is better between Bortles/Lee or Mack/Carr is undecided. I do believe that Bortles will be better than Carr, although at this point they both show great potential. Obviously, Mack is a stud and will probably be a perennial pro bowler, but if Bortles ends up being a true franchise q.b. it will go down as Caldwell's best pick ever.

 

The 2014 draft was incredible. Although Lee looks like a bust, nobody can legitimately criticize that pick. He has elite talent and would have been a top 5 pick if he was in the 2013 draft. Caldwell's pick of Robinson deserves an A+ grade. He saw tremendous value and made the move even though he had just selected Lee. This is the reason taking the BAP is always better than drafting based on need alone. Even though he probably suspected Blackmon would never make it back and there was still a need at receiver, it would have been safer to select someone other than Robinson at another position of need. Instead, he followed his gut and got a potential pro bowl receiver in Robinson by trading up into the 2nd with the 49ers.

 

It is not far fetched to say that from this draft 4 or 5 players can eventually make a pro bowl- Bortles, Robinson, Linder, Colvin and Telvin Smith. I have not seen any references to Luke Bowanko, but he can turn out to be a valuable player down the road. He will likely be their starting center of the future, and even if they resign Wisnieuski to remain the starter Bowanko can fill in at most positions on the offensive line. Caldwell's getting this 6th rounder for Blaine Gabbert was highway

robbery.

 

The 2015 draft can not compare to 2014, however if Fowler is what they believe he is this draft class will also be excellent. Caldwell may have made some mistakes so far, however his drafting has been excellent and overall he has done a good job. His hardest decision will be whether to fire his friend, Gus Bradley, if he continues to perform so poorly as the head coach. This will have to be decided upon at the end of this season.

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Give me Bortles and Allen Robinson. Derek Carr and Khalil Mack is one hell of a combo. But Carr is as good as you will get and Bortles is still better in 2015. I'm telling you this, Dante Fowler is our Khalil Mack as far as sack production will go. I truly believe that. Carr/Cooper is fun to watch but right now, Bortles and Robinson look like Pro Bowl players


--although you didn't ask about Robinson, he is our 2nd rounder from the same draft. I'll say this: I value our first round/second round combo more than their combo. Meaning that if taking Mack meant missing out on Bortles, I value Bortles at 3 and Lee in the second more than I value Mack at 3 and Carr in the second.

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How about:


1. Mack

2. Carr/A. Robinson

3. Linder

4. Colvin

5. Telvin Smith


? Might be even better.

Also, I just feel like making a combination of picks in hindsight to make it the best possible draft is unfair. It's like saying "Odell at 3 and Carr in the second?" WE ALL thought Marqise Lee would be a pretty good player and we needed a WR in the worst way. Now we have two good receivers. Lee still has time and is still young. I'm happy with the 2014 draft choices. Even Marqise Lee, because I think he will put his injuries behind him and become a damn good ball player.


And again, Fowler=Mack (personal opinion)

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