The owners share the ticket revenue from general seating. They get to keep the revenue from the luxury suites. The new stadiums are built to increase the number of luxury suites. This works well in cities like New York and Dallas where there are ample businesses willing and able to afford the luxury suites, it doesn't work well in Jacksonville.

 

Regards......................the Chiefjag

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Yet another Jags are moving to London article...

Yet another quality entry by one of the leaders of the bib brigade....

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Ayanbedejo clarified in his twitter feed that Jacksonville was merely a "viable candidate."

 

Which means at least 3 other teams could be seen as "more viable candidates" , IMO.   Although I find it moot and agree with *PF's assessment. 

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London or L.A. isn't going to happen.  Do you really think the other owners are just going to be like "Sure, Khan.  You can move into a ripe new market!  Take your pick of Los Angeles or London!  We'll be happy to let you take all the revenue.  We'll also be happy to travel to London once every so many years -- or in the case of the Colts, Titans, and Texans, every year!"


Khan's agreement with Goodell for games in London is a two part plan by a man who's made more money than probably all of us combined:


1. Build a name with international recognition.


2. Getting on Goodell's good side.  Which will reap the benefits in the future.  We might even see a couple of "Roughing the passers" called when Bridgewater gets hit, as opposed to seeing Chad Henne smacked around on the ground and getting no call.


 

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I still think LA ends up being either the Raiders or Chargers moving back. If it is Oakland, you have a team with a fanbase in the city. And the NFL is not abandoning a market with the Niners still playing there.

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Simply Disagree.

 

The reason the last half dozen NFL teams built completely new stadiums is to increase revenue profits, ie Cowboys, Giants/Jets, Clots, etc. They played the game of keeping the old stadiums up to date and it came a point to where it just simply wasn't enough anymore.

 

Teams are going away from the motto of building/refurbishing new stadiums in urbanized areas because it just isnt profitable anymore, the goal is to attract and keep the affluent STH's, the best way to do that is to build a new stadium near their demographic that is convenient for them. Just look at what the Braves did recently.

 

Jacksonville is very quickly nearing that end.

Of the three examples you gave the youngest stadium was built in 1984, a full eleven years older. One is a dome, another a semi-dome. Domes are notoriously difficult to upgrade, same goes for the old Giants stadium which was built in a way that made improvements very costly. EverBank is built much like Lambeau Field and its construction makes it very easy to upgrade. The new endzone and video boards make that abundantly clear, there's now way a construction like that would be possible in stadiums like they used to have New york and Dallas.

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EverBank is built much like Lambeau Field and its construction makes it very easy to upgrade.

 

And Arrowhead Stadium. That is the example of a stadium that Weaver and the city said they would like to emulate.

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Its just as far for us in Fernandina to go to The Bank  as it would be for anyone from St Johns....so that just doesn't hold water.

Shame on any St Johns county fan that says .."...its just too far."

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

Its just as far for us in Fernandina to go to The Bank  as it would be for anyone from St Johns....so that just doesn't hold water.

Shame on any St Johns county fan that says .."...its just too far."

Want some cheese to go with that whine?

We are in Jax Beach, a friend is in St Aug off off St. Road 16. He gets to the games quicker than we do .

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

If we were 7-3/8-2, this thread would not exist.

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I think Bridgewater at 3 is better value than Mack at 3, yes.

 

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The NFL commissioner wants it bad.

 

The only thing that is keeping my hopes alive that it will NOT happen is Jerry Jones used the word expansion when discussing it.

 

Jerry is a good man that helped us get started. We still appreciate what he and the other owners did.

 

 

London or L.A. isn't going to happen.  Do you really think the other owners are just going to be like "Sure, Khan.  You can move into a ripe new market!  Take your pick of Los Angeles or London!  We'll be happy to let you take all the revenue.  We'll also be happy to travel to London once every so many years -- or in the case of the Colts, Titans, and Texans, every year!"

Khan's agreement with Goodell for games in London is a two part plan by a man who's made more money than probably all of us combined:


1. Build a name with international recognition.


2. Getting on Goodell's good side.  Which will reap the benefits in the future.  We might even see a couple of "Roughing the passers" called when Bridgewater gets hit, as opposed to seeing Chad Henne smacked around on the ground and getting no call.

 

 

I'm not going to get into the whole "will they move debate".. other than you have to read tea leafs here and usually where there's smoke there's fire.  Being a fan who's already lost a team I'd be weary of a new owner who's trying to move games played to another continent.. name another owner who's doing that on a yearly basis right now? The Bills have flirted with Canada. but that's about it.  Just be cautious and pay attention to it is all I'm going to say.  I do hope they don't move though, because I wouldn't want my team traveling across the country every year and sure as heck wouldn't want them taking a flight across the pond every year.

 

However y'all do realize that Roger Goodell works for the owners right?  He answers to the owners.  He's basically a lawyer that is hired by the owners to speak for the league and on behalf of their interests, (and to be the sole disciplinary power over all teams/players as individual owners can't be trusted to discipline their own teams/players.)  So when you hear Goodell say things like "our goal is to have a team back in the L.A. market" or hear him talk about growing the game globally and possibly having a NFL franchise play over seas... That's not just because "Goodell wants it", it's because that's what the league owners want and are interested in.  There's is almost nothing that Goodell does that is not agreed upon by the league owners or isn't in the owner's interest.. They are the ones that cut his check.  

 

Houston shouldn't even have a team right now, the only reason why they do is because the ownership in L.A. was so incompetent they couldn't put a good plan together before the league deadline to bid for a new expansion team expired..  McNair already had a model of Reliant stadium built, already had a agreement in place on how to pay for it all with the city, and all his other "I"s and "t"s crossed. The L.A. group didn't even have plans on a new stadium yet.  The league than extended the deadline to give the L.A. ownership group another chance and they still couldn't get their ducks in a row.  It's the only reason why Houston got the expansion bid over L.A., but the league bent over backwards to deliver it to L.A.

 

But now speaking on possible future expansion like a poster above brought up.. I don't see any new expansion teams being created any time soon and Goodell (again speaking on behalf of the owners) has already said there is no plans for future expansion teams, because of how perfect the division/conference alignment is now... it's one of the reasons why they added the expansion Texans, just to get to that even alignment of teams.  It gave them 8 even divisions (4 in each conference) with 4 teams in each division.  For scheduling purposes it works out perfectly when creating schedules involving games in and out of divisional play.  You would have to add a lot of expansion teams (which would water down the talent level of the league.. see NBA) just to get back to that type of even alignment again..  That's why it isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

Another reason why it isn't going to happen any time soon, is because as long as they don't over flood the market with expansion teams, the owners know they can strong hold cities into building new bright and shiny playgrounds that bring billions of dollars to the league.  The fact that there isn't a team in L.A. right now and the threat of the league moving one there is the reason why Minn. will end up getting a new stadium, it's also why a lot of these other owners have had no problem getting cities to vote on new taxes to supplement stadium upgrades to already existing stadiums. In a lot of cities the NFL owners have their city by the balls here.  If they added a bunch of expansion teams, they wouldn't, because there's only so many markets in this country and outside of this country that would be a viable threat to uproot a already existing team.

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Selling out every game with the average Ticket price $80.00 per person, and  a projected yearly operating profit of only 13-35 million a year means NOTHING to Khan.
 
Selling out every game with the average Ticket price $225.00 per person and a projected yearly operating profit of only 50-95 million a year mean ALOT to Khan.
 
 
See above.

Once again we run into message board logic - where you can just make stuff up!

We don't have any idea as to Khan's lust for profit. For many team owners the football club is their hobby. We don't know that Khan doesn't love the idea of living part-time in Florida and wants the challenge of building up the franchise in Jacksonville.

And that laughable number you pulled out of your rear-end re St. Johns Co. - show me the first study that indicates anything of the sort.

Is there a SIMS game in which you get to be an NFL owner?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Of the three examples you gave the youngest stadium was built in 1984, a full eleven years older. One is a dome, another a semi-dome. Domes are notoriously difficult to upgrade, same goes for the old Giants stadium which was built in a way that made improvements very costly. EverBank is built much like Lambeau Field and its construction makes it very easy to upgrade. The new endzone and video boards make that abundantly clear, there's now way a construction like that would be possible in stadiums like they used to have New york and Dallas.

 

Intresting point you bring up that I would like to ask.

 

Structurally, how do you think engineers would be able to construct wider concourses, add more mid range luxury suites, erect a fan terrance mezzanine area inside the stadium? 

 

Once again we run into message board logic - where you can just make stuff up!


We don't have any idea as to Khan's lust for profit. For many team owners the football club is their hobby. We don't know that Khan doesn't love the idea of living part-time in Florida and wants the challenge of building up the franchise in Jacksonville.


And that laughable number you pulled out of your rear-end re St. Johns Co. - show me the first study that indicates anything of the sort.


Is there a SIMS game in which you get to be an NFL owner?

 

I think you missed the point of what a message board discussion is all about.

 

I dont know if you been to any of the fan forums held recently, but Lamping clearly said the team is looking to be more financially competitive (in-line) with other teams around the league (which included raising ticket prices).

 

A poll was conducted about a year or 2 ago (dont know if its still available on the jags website) of where frequent fans of the team and about 1/2 of the STH's reside and it included the areas I mentioned earlier in this thread. This was also brought up on 1010 earlier this year.

 

Your last sentence was very immature.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-e...ags-112113

 

To dismiss the possibility at this point is to delude one's self.

Sorry, dbl post

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-e...ags-112113

 

To dismiss the possibility at this point is to delude one's self.

What is more deluding? To know the real facts, yet still give credence to writers with a bias?

 

(I'm assuming you know the facts, which if it is no, then this makes the original post even crazier.

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-e...ags-112113

 

To dismiss the possibility at this point is to delude one's self.

What is more deluding? To know the real facts, yet still give credence to writers with a bias?

 

(I'm assuming you know the facts, which if it is no, then this makes the original post even crazier.

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What conspiracy theory? The possibility that Khan could move the team in the future? You have got to be kidding me. Thats not a conspiracy theory, its reality. Khan could move the team today if he really wanted too. But I believe him when he says he is trying to make it work, and the fact that he promised Weaver he would be here for 5 years. After that, well, I don't see him as having any obligation to us, or anyone else if our team isn't succeeding or doing as well financially as he wants. Denying that he can move the team is exactly what I said it was, sticking your head in the sand.

And he could keep it here too. You posted about why are people jumping on the messenger. Because he posted an article that is all speculation based on the same garbage we have heard over and over again. Any team could move their team. Any owner could move their team. So yeah, it could be a reality, but it isn't a reality. What is a reality is we have a team in Jacksonville. No one is sticking their head in the sand. But Khan has also shown a commitment to this city financially. That is reality as well.

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