Create Account


Board Performance Issues We are aware of performance issues on the board and are working to resolve them! The board may be intermittently unavailable during this time. (May 07) x


The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show significantly less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.
Poll: Time to fire Gus?
Yes
No
Let this season play out regardless of how bad it gets.
[Show Results]
 
 
The Giant Fire Gus & Dave Thread (MERGED)


If babich gets the axe, what would people think of jeremey Pruitt as a replacement?
Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Quote:Sign my 8 year old nephew, I'm sure he can do just as good.
The usual with you, move the team, cut JT, sign my nephew. No direction at all! Any chance of making me a wool sweater? You seem to have a thing for following sheep.
Reply


Jeebus. 101 pages.

 

You'da thunk this was a Matt Jones thread or something.


I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Reply


Quote:Jeebus. 101 pages.


You'da thunk this was a Matt Jones thread or something.


You're fired.
[Image: IMG-1452.jpg]
Reply


Quote:You're fired.
 

Good. At least now I can get some sleep.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Quote:Good. At least now I can get some sleep.


So which online training class was this? Smile
[Image: IMG-1452.jpg]
Reply


Quote:So which online training class was this? Smile
 

Human Performance Communication. How to use the Phonetic Alphabet and Three-Way Communication.

 

:nuke:

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Reply


Quote:Human Performance Communication. How to use the Phonetic Alphabet and Three-Way Communication.

 

:nuke:
3 way?

 

Communication? I learn't that years ago.....

Reply


Quote:3 way?

 

Communication? I learn't that years ago.....
 

Don't belittle me in my moment of torment.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Quote:Don't belittle me in my moment of torment.

Delta Uniform Mike
Reply


Quote:Don't belittle me in my moment of torment.
I'm sorry. You'll find it.....

Reply


Quote:Delta Uniform Mike
 

Bravo Zulu.

I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!
Reply


#firegus


“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Quote:The head coach, much like the commanding officer of a naval unit, is responsible for what his team does. Like the old 'the buck stops here' sign that president Truman supposedly had on his desk, so it is with the HC. 
 

General Douglas MacArthur early in WWII got run off the Bataan peninsula and left half his army and the entire Philippines to the Japanese because he couldn't match his green army against the seasoned Japanese military.

 

So according to you, the man who is widely considered the greatest CO of the 20th century was a bad CO because he couldn't outmatch experience when given an inexperienced group to lead.

 

MacArthur came back only after the US military gained the experience necessary to make the most of their skills and resources and crush the Japanese.

 

You will be hard pressed to find an example of a CO any time in history being able to have consistent success when leading any inexperienced group against a seasoned force unless they have a significant superiority in either numbers or technology, and in the NFL, those types of advantages are afforded to no one.

Reply


Quote:General Douglas MacArthur early in WWII got run off the Bataan peninsula and left half his army and the entire Philippines to the Japanese because he couldn't match his green army against the seasoned Japanese military.

 

So according to you, the man who is widely considered the greatest CO of the 20th century was a bad CO because he couldn't outmatch experience when given an inexperienced group to lead.

 

MacArthur came back only after the US military gained the experience necessary to make the most of their skills and resources and crush the Japanese.

 

You will be hard pressed to find an example of a CO any time in history being able to have consistent success when leading any inexperienced group against a seasoned force unless they have a significant superiority in either numbers or technology, and in the NFL, those types of advantages are afforded to no one.
 

First off, McArthur is not the greatest CO of the 20th century. Not even the greatest American CO.


But your example doesn't match the facts in the Jags case. A better example would be a Civil War CO without horses continually insisting on the use of cavalry as his main weapon against opposing cannon fire. True it would be better if he had horses, but the CO has to make do with what he has.






                                                                          

"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
Reply

(This post was last modified: 12-05-2015, 10:56 AM by wrong_box.)

Quote:First off, McArthur is not the greatest CO of the 20th century. Not even the greatest American CO.


But your example doesn't match the facts in the Jags case. A better example would be a Civil War CO without horses continually insisting on the use of cavalry as his main weapon against opposing cannon fire. True it would be better if he had horses, but the CO has to make do with what he has.
and sometimes what he has at his disposal is not enough...the phrase " doing the best you can with what you have" comes to mind...sometimes what you have just isn't enough to do what you want or need to do... 


Reply

(This post was last modified: 12-05-2015, 01:58 PM by Predator.)

Quote:First off, McArthur is not the greatest CO of the 20th century. Not even the greatest American CO.


But your example doesn't match the facts in the Jags case. A better example would be a Civil War CO without horses continually insisting on the use of cavalry as his main weapon against opposing cannon fire. True it would be better if he had horses, but the CO has to make do with what he has.
LOL! Leave it to you to try and rewrite history. Not only was he in charge of all the ground forces Pacific theater in WWII, he was also made the Supreme Allied Commander of the country of Japan in the post war era and following that was also made commander of all UN forces in the Korean war.

 

So he was a successful CO of the largest theater in WWII, the CO for 5 years of occupation and rebuild of a nation that would experience the greatest economic boom in history, and the CO of the largest UN action in history.

 

Regardless of your ignorant opinion, MacArthur is widely considered one of the greatest COs of the 20th century by both his contemporaries and historians and absolutely nothing you can say will change that fact.


Reply

We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!



Its amazing how easily threads get derailed



Reply


Quote:LOL! Leave it to you to try and rewrite history. Not only was he in charge of all the ground forces Pacific theater in WWII, he was also made the Supreme Allied Commander of the country of Japan in the post war era and following that was also made commander of all UN forces in the Korean war.

 

So he was a successful CO of the largest theater in WWII, the CO for 5 years of occupation and rebuild of a nation that would experience the greatest economic boom in history, and the CO of the largest UN action in history.

 

Regardless of your ignorant opinion, MacArthur is widely considered one of the greatest COs of the 20th century by both his contemporaries and historians and absolutely nothing you can say will change that fact.
 

You're entitled to your opinion on McArthur. Mine is different. That's not pertinent to the topic.


 

But my main point stands. Gus keeps rushing the passer with just four players, as if he had the 2012 Seahawks roster.


 

The whole "buck stops here" comment was not meant to claim that being a head coach is remotely equivalent to being President; it was to point out that if the stupid decisions made in running the defense were from Babich (or any other coach under Gus) then Gus is still ultimately responsible for the end result
.* Gus chose Babich. Gus chose to keep Babich when he fired Fisch. Gus has the power to overrule Babich.

 

* At least that's how I would have meant it, I didn't make the original comment.




                                                                          

"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"
Reply


Quote:You're entitled to your opinion on McArthur. Mine is different. That's not pertinent to the topic.


 

But my main point stands. Gus keeps rushing the passer with just four players, as if he had the 2012 Seahawks roster.


 

The whole "buck stops here" comment was not meant to claim that being a head coach is remotely equivalent to being President; it was to point out that if the stupid decisions made in running the defense were from Babich (or any other coach under Gus) then Gus is still ultimately responsible for the end result
.* Gus chose Babich. Gus chose to keep Babich when he fired Fisch. Gus has the power to overrule Babich.

 

* At least that's how I would have meant it, I didn't make the original comment.
You can't even spell the guy's name right so that shows the value of your opinion on that subject.

 

The actual pertinent point is that even the greatest commanding officers are limited by the experience level of the troops they command and this is referring to the actual original comment not your abstract interpretation of it.

Reply




Users browsing this thread:
17 Guest(s)

The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.


ABOUT US
The Jungle Forums is the Jaguars' biggest fan message board. Talking about the Jags since 2006, the Jungle was the team-endorsed home of all things Jaguars.

Since 2017, the Jungle is now independent of the team but still run by the same crew. We are here to support and discuss all things Jaguars and all things Duval!