this looked like a horrific move to me when it happened, but I have softened on it since then. The moves Dave was able to make the following year were critical if he will have success in Jville.


I still would debate that the root cause of people's frustration with the move is drafting Luke in the first place. One of the few areas with a solid starter at the time was LT, but we opted to go for one over several defensive linemen that we could use right now.


Time to move the on, and it looks like Dave has done much better drafting since.

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this looked like a horrific move to me when it happened, but I have softened on it since then. The moves Dave was able to make the following year were critical if he will have success in Jville.


I still would debate that the root cause of people's frustration with the move is drafting Luke in the first place. One of the few areas with a solid starter at the time was LT, but we opted to go for one over several defensive linemen that we could use right now.


Time to move the on, and it looks like Dave has done much better drafting since.

Yeah.... seeing what he has become, Ziggy Ansah is (I'm guessing) who everyone would rather have.

But we wouldn't have Colvin.

Chris Smith might not become anything.

We may or may not have resigned Eugene anyway. So he might have been gone.

And before the Houston game, Joker had quieted most of his haters, with only a few trollers still on his jock for no good reason.

Beadles was still way worse, especially over 2 full seasons.

 

It was a good trade then. It is still a good trade now.

Especially if Colvin can take a leap in year 3.

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IIRC, we used both of those Monroe picks to move up for both Allen Robinson and Brandon Linder.  I'd take either one over Monroe right now, not to mention both of them.

 

I think we got Bortles with one and used the other to trade for J.J. Watt.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Yeah.... seeing what he has become, Ziggy Ansah is (I'm guessing) who everyone would rather have.

But we wouldn't have Colvin.

Chris Smith might not become anything.

We may or may not have resigned Eugene anyway. So he might have been gone.

And before the Houston game, Joker had quieted most of his haters, with only a few trollers still on his jock for no good reason.

Beadles was still way worse, especially over 2 full seasons.

 

It was a good trade then. It is still a good trade now.

Especially if Colvin can take a leap in year 3.

 

Yeah, Luke can probably be average to a little above average at best and that's probably good enough if they fix the LG spot.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'll take the one thats been on the field more

 

Pretty close. Since 2013 Joeckel has played 35 games, Monroe 32.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Yeah.... seeing what he has become, Ziggy Ansah is (I'm guessing) who everyone would rather have.

But we wouldn't have Colvin.

Chris Smith might not become anything.

We may or may not have resigned Eugene anyway. So he might have been gone.

And before the Houston game, Joker had quieted most of his haters, with only a few trollers still on his jock for no good reason.

Beadles was still way worse, especially over 2 full seasons.

 

It was a good trade then. It is still a good trade now.

Especially if Colvin can take a leap in year 3.

 

If we're doing "coulda beens" the Jags "coulda" kept Monroe and traded the Joeckel pick for a 1st, 4th, and 5th rounder in 2014. Then we have Monroe (a LT roughly as good as Joeckel), Colvin, and Smith, plus one of the 2014 first rounders.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Be even more scared since he's aloud to procreate! Haha

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You either die as a good poster, or live long enough to become the troll.

Be even more scared since he's ALLOWED

to procreate! Haha

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“Motivation alone is not enough.  If you have an idiot and you motivate him,now you have a motivated idiot.” Jim Rohn

 

Has this particular dead horse been beaten enough yet?

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Has this particular dead horse been beaten enough yet?

I dunno.  Do we have enough glue/school cafeteria meat?

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I dunno.  Do we have enough glue/school cafeteria meat?

 

I doubt it. I mean, think about all the material they got from the Garrard-Leftwich and Matt Jones situations.

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I doubt it. I mean, think about all the material they got from the Garrard-Leftwich and Matt Jones situations.

Yes.  The natives were restless for years over that stuff.

 

But this is minor by comparison, even if too much time has been allocated to this topic.

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Eh, that whole 2013 Class has been a disappointment. Especially if you were picking in the top 10. The time-machine pick should probably have been Sheldon Richardson, who would have fit really well in our defense.  

 

I'd say getting Aaron Colvin and Chris smith has been a pretty nice swap for Monroe. Chris Smith is still on the team and Aaron Colvin has done enough to show that he could be a long-term piece to the Jags secondary. Trades don't always have to be a landslide to be successful. Caldwell avoided overpaying Monroe who had bad knees and was at his peak really, in exchange for two players, one has been serviceable while the other is what you'd expect form a 5th rounder. 

 

If there was a bad trade in that draft it had to be the Niners sliding back with the Jags.. Think how dumb San Francisco Must feel after trading away Allen Robinson for a Center and Aaron Lynch .. Robinson would be considered the Next Rice or T.O in San Fran 

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Eh, that whole 2013 Class has been a disappointment. Especially if you were picking in the top 10. The time-machine pick should probably have been Sheldon Richardson, who would have fit really well in our defense.  

 

I'd say getting Aaron Colvin and Chris smith has been a pretty nice swap for Monroe. Chris Smith is still on the team and Aaron Colvin has done enough to show that he could be a long-term piece to the Jags secondary. Trades don't always have to be a landslide to be successful. Caldwell avoided overpaying Monroe who had bad knees and was at his peak really, in exchange for two players, one has been serviceable while the other is what you'd expect form a 5th rounder. 

 

If there was a bad trade in that draft it had to be the Niners sliding back with the Jags.. Think how dumb San Francisco Must feel after trading away Allen Robinson for a Center and Aaron Lynch .. Robinson would be considered the Next Rice or T.O in San Fran 

 

Funny thing about the bolded.  I remember a Bill Barnwell piece from that draft talking about the worst trades made.  I thought it was the Linder trade, but I went back and found the article, and he named the least logical trade of the draft as that Allen Robinson trade.

 

His reasoning, at the time, isn't exactly terrible, but man does it look bad in hindsight.  Can't post article.  Search grantland for "NFL Draft and Michael Sam".

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Be even more scared since he's ALLOWED

to procreate! Haha

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My bad. I was sitting in my truck trying to warm up while I was typing that. Haha

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You either die as a good poster, or live long enough to become the troll.

True, average is better than below average.

 

But regardless, if we kept him we'd be looking for a replacement LT just the same as we are now.

 

The past is the past and unactionable regardless of the useless bellyaching.  The future is now, and now is all that matters.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

He posts dumb stuff like this often?

 

It's ALL he posts, unfortunately...

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Funny thing about the bolded.  I remember a Bill Barnwell piece from that draft talking about the worst trades made.  I thought it was the Linder trade, but I went back and found the article, and he named the least logical trade of the draft as that Allen Robinson trade.

 

His reasoning, at the time, isn't exactly terrible, but man does it look bad in hindsight.  Can't post article.  Search grantland for "NFL Draft and Michael Sam".

 

Found the article.

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"...But the Least Logical Trade of the 2014 Draft Belongs To …


<p style="margin-left:40px;"> Jacksonville!


<p style="margin-left:40px;"> 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">The Jaguars traded up twice this weekend, first sending the 150th pick to the 49ers for the privilege of moving up from 70 to 61, where they drafted wideout Allen Robinson. The Jags were applauded for finding “weapons” for new quarterback Blake Bortles, but even if Robinson develops into a player, he would theoretically be the third wideout in Jacksonville’s offense behind Cecil Shorts and earlier second-rounder Marqise Lee. And that’s without considering the possibility of Justin Blackmon ever returning. The 49ers, meanwhile, used the pick on center Marcus Martin, who would have filled a much more pressing need for Jacksonville
..."

 

I'd like to note here, while running the risk of falling down the 'who won the trade?!?!' hole, that the two trading partners that Jacksonville had with the Robinson and Linder selection were San Francisco and New England (New England selected C Bryan Stork from FSU). Neither of these players have started a full 16 game season, but then again neither has Robinson or Linder.

 

And I'd also like to take particular note of this line in the article:

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"...Randomness and variance swamp knowledge and scouting before a player gets to the NFL
..."

 

To be honest, I'm not entirely certain what Barnwell meant by that blurb, but at face value it seems to mean that you should draft based on statistical analysis and metrics and not your football knowledge and scouting. If this is the case, it's no wonder Grantland got shut down.

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I'd like to note here, while running the risk of falling down the 'who won the trade?!?!' hole, that the two trading partners that Jacksonville had with the Robinson and Linder selection were San Francisco and New England (New England selected C Bryan Stork from FSU). Neither of these players have started a full 16 game season, but then again neither has Robinson or Linder.

 

Robinson started all 16 games this year.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/...areerstats

 

I wonder if this Barnwell guy will look at the numbers, remember this article, and, in a generous showing of integrity (journalistic or otherwise), offers an enthusiastic mea culpa for getting this wrong.

 

Nahhh.

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Robinson started all 16 games this year.

 

http://www.nfl.com/player/allenrobinson/...areerstats

 

I wonder if this Barnwell guy will look at the numbers, remember this article, and, in a generous showing of integrity (journalistic or otherwise), offers an enthusiastic mea culpa for getting this wrong.

 

Nahhh.

 

Ah! Thank you for the correction about Robinson, I had forgotten about that.

 

As for your second point, I think it will be more of what we have grown accustomed to, the line about "well if you're going to believe me, then it's really you're fault! I'm just a guy on the internet!" Then again, I've grown cynical quite a bit here recently.

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Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!