A good way to tell someone knows nothing about draft analyzing? They bring up competition with QBs.

 

Him making a good/smart play has nothing to do with the opposing teams quality.

 

Right. I know nothing about draft analyzing. You got me.

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I don't understand how some of you write of level of competition. Scouts take level of competition into account. One example:

 

"When I was an NFL scout, there was nothing like watching a prospect play in a big game to determine if he had the goods to play at the next level." .... "While those traits are certainly admirable, I couldn't gauge his upside until I watched him perform in a pressure-packed situation as a starter."

 

In other words, it may have been a great player, but it would have been a much bigger statement had he made a play like that against a defense that didn't give up 35 points to Western Kentucky.

 

A lot of SEC quarterbacks flame out because of the idea that "if they looked good in the SEC, that should translate to the NFL". That doesn't always ring true, though. Having the right tools (which Teddy Bridgewater has) is more important than what conference you play in, but to say that bringing up level of competition means someone "knows nothing of draft analyzing" is just being a prick. It is a factor in the evaluation process.

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I don't understand how some of you write of level of competition. Scouts take level of competition into account. One example:

 

"When I was an NFL scout, there was nothing like watching a prospect play in a big game to determine if he had the goods to play at the next level." .... "While those traits are certainly admirable, I couldn't gauge his upside until I watched him perform in a pressure-packed situation as a starter."

 

In other words, it may have been a great player, but it would have been a much bigger statement had he made a play like that against a defense that didn't give up 35 points to Western Kentucky.

 

A lot of SEC quarterbacks flame out because of the idea that "if they looked good in the SEC, that should translate to the NFL". That doesn't always ring true, though. Having the right tools (which Teddy Bridgewater has) is more important than what conference you play in, but to say that bringing up level of competition means someone "knows nothing of draft analyzing" is just being a **********************. It is a factor in the evaluation process.

 

When talking about a pure passing QB, if they make the throws, sense pressure, makes their reads, it doesn't matter who they are facing.

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College QB 1: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs a defense loaded with NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, NFL level defense coordinators, on a weekly basis.

College QB 2: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs MAC level talent, vanilla blitz schemes, and C-list defensive coordinators.

 

You think they have equal amount of risk?

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I watched both White and Taylor and both you would not pass on. They could be a nightmare for qbs. And in a town where people demand instant results. It would be hard to pass on Clowney.

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I don't understand how some of you write of level of competition. Scouts take level of competition into account.

 

When putting stats into context, yeah. No one will care whether Bridgewater throws 40 touchdowns or 50 touchdowns just like very little emphasis was placed on Geno's statistics.

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I don't understand how some of you write of level of competition. Scouts take level of competition into account. One example:


"When I was an NFL scout, there was nothing like watching a prospect play in a big game to determine if he had the goods to play at the next level." .... "While those traits are certainly admirable, I couldn't gauge his upside until I watched him perform in a pressure-packed situation as a starter."


In other words, it may have been a great player, but it would have been a much bigger statement had he made a play like that against a defense that didn't give up 35 points to Western Kentucky.


A lot of SEC quarterbacks flame out because of the idea that "if they looked good in the SEC, that should translate to the NFL". That doesn't always ring true, though. Having the right tools (which Teddy Bridgewater has) is more important than what conference you play in, but to say that bringing up level of competition means someone "knows nothing of draft analyzing" is just being a **********************. It is a factor in the evaluation process.

How some of you guys don't want Teddy on the jaguars is just beyond me.


He's going to dominate every team he plays and when Louisville gets matched up with a top ten 10 for a bowl game, he is going to dominate them as well.

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I watched both White and Taylor and both you would not pass on. They could be a nightmare for qbs. And in a town where people demand instant results. It would be hard to pass on Clowney.

 

For a great Quarterback?  Wouldn't be hard at all.

 

I'm sure Clowney will be an incredible player.  But as a Defensive End, he will not have nearly the impact a Quarterback will.  And this team can't afford to settle for another game manager.  Especially with the state of this offense.  I don't know why people want him so badly they'll dismiss anything good about Bridgewater.  

 

5 scenarios:


Scenario A: Draft Clowney, Bridgewater isn't that good.   Nobody will be disappointed.

 

Scenario B: Draft Clowney, Bridgewater is really good.  We get a QB equally good.  Nobody will be disappointed.

 

Scenario C: Draft Clowney, Bridgewater is really good.  We still lack a Quarterback.  Most people will be disappointed. 

 

Scenario D: Draft Bridgewater.  Bridgewater isn't that good.  Most people will be disappointed.

 

Scenario E: Draft Bridgewater.  Bridgewater is really good.  Nobody will be disappointed

 

Quarterback is too important of a position.  The reason this team is in such trouble  is because they've ignored the QB position for too long.  

 

Game Manager is not going to cut it here  Average QB isn't going to cut it.. We don't want to be the Texans.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

A few things are required in order for a game manager QB to be successful.

1. a dominant defense- which we lack

2. an above average run game- which we lack

3. solid offensive line- we suck again

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When putting stats into context, yeah. No one will care whether Bridgewater throws 40 touchdowns or 50 touchdowns just like very little emphasis was placed on Geno's statistics.

 

"College QB 1: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs a defense loaded with NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, NFL level defense coordinators, on a weekly basis.

College QB 2: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs MAC level talent, vanilla blitz schemes, and C-list defensive coordinators.

 

You think they have equal amount of risk?"

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"College QB 1: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs a defense loaded with NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, NFL level defense coordinators, on a weekly basis.

College QB 2: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs MAC level talent, vanilla blitz schemes, and C-list defensive coordinators.

 

You think they have equal amount of risk?"

Very few if any college defenses are loaded with NFL talent and to say they play that on a weekly basis is crazy. I imagine you are referring to the SEC so basically your question should be... Does an SEC qb have equal amount of risk as a qb coming from any other conference?

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"College QB 1: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs a defense loaded with NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, NFL level defense coordinators, on a weekly basis.

College QB 2: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs MAC level talent, vanilla blitz schemes, and C-list defensive coordinators.

 

You think they have equal amount of risk?"

QB's should be evaluated differently when looking at level of competition. Doug Williams, Flacco, Big Ben, Kurt Warner and many, many more have come from schools a lot smaller than Louisville and been successful. These guys have to work harder for week to week success and thus they are already used to NFL preparation. Guys like Tebow, Sanchez, Gabbert, Vince Young and Jamarcus Russell were all highly touted first-round QB's from larger, more traditional football schools. Your point is invalid.

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How some of you guys don't want Teddy on the jaguars is just beyond me.

 

Hang on... let's put on the brakes on this nonsense.

 

I can't speak for others, but where have you seen me say this?

 

I certainly wouldn't mind Teddy if we drafted him.

 

At the same time, however, I'm not convinced he's the "can't miss" prospect folks are making him out to be.  There are no guarantees and I'm not sold that he's even the best QB in the draft.  I beleive there are several franchise QB candidates in this draft and NONE of them are slam dunks folks are making Bridgewater out to be.

 

This Teddy or bust nonsense is ridiculous.  It turns every conversation into the attitude that folks who aren't sold are "Teddy haters" or some similar nonsense.

 

We get it.  Some of you are beyond sold.  So far sold that you're unwilling to actually listen to what other folks are actually saying.  Even if those folks do like Teddy (in addition to and as much as other QBs in the draft,) but just aren't as overboard for him as yourselves.

 

The real value may not be in Teddy at all, but who may be willing to sell the farm for him.  A lucrative trade (not Teddy) may end up being the salvation of this franchise.

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My stance throughout has been exactly what pirkster just described. You guys are great at putting words in peoples mouth's, though.

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My stance throughout has been exactly what pirkster just described. You guys are great at putting words in peoples mouth's, though.

I have yet to see you say anything positive about Bridgewater.  

 

Nobody is putting words in your mouth.  Anything positive about Bridgewater you try to minimize it.  "Against C-level competition" sounds familiar.

 

All in all it's up to Caldwell.  If Bridgewater is great, and we don't pick him, then it's a huge mistake on Caldwell's part unless we get someone just as good or better.  And I for one don't think the names thrown out for possible picks in the second round will amount to much.  Of course i'm no NFL-scout.  I'm not claiming to be.  But I'd say the talent level drops off in any given draft.  And I don't think an Andy Dalton is a good solution here.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I have yet to see you say anything positive about Bridgewater.  

 

Nobody is putting words in your mouth.  Anything positive about Bridgewater you try to minimize it.  "Against C-level competition" sounds familiar.

 

All in all it's up to Caldwell.  If Bridgewater is great, and we don't pick him, then it's a huge mistake on Caldwell's part unless we get someone just as good or better.  And I for one don't think the names thrown out for possible picks in the second round will amount to much.  Of course i'm no NFL-scout.  I'm not claiming to be.  But I'd say the talent level drops off in any given draft.  And I don't think an Andy Dalton is a good solution here.

 

I've routinely said that Bridgewater is the best QB in this class and I would not be upset if the Jaguars drafted him. Either you are choosing not to read those posts or you are blind.

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"College QB 1: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs a defense loaded with NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, NFL level defense coordinators, on a weekly basis.

College QB 2: Makes the reads, throws, senses pressure vs MAC level talent, vanilla blitz schemes, and C-list defensive coordinators.

 

You think they have equal amount of risk?"

 

Why are you pretending that Teddy hasn't already excelled against really good college defenses as a sophomore? Florida's unit had almost a dozen pro prospects on it.

 

No one faces NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, and NFL level coordinators every week.

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Why are you pretending that Teddy hasn't already excelled against really good college defenses as a sophomore? Florida's unit had almost a dozen pro prospects on it.

 

No one faces NFL talent, NFL blitz schemes, and NFL level coordinators every week.

 

Why are you throwing a red herring to get me off the point? My point was that level of competition matters when evaluating prospects.

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Why are you throwing a red herring to get me off the point? My point was that level of competition matters when evaluating prospects.

 

In the context of that player's statistical performance, yes; 40 touchdowns in the B1G are weighed differently than 40 touchdowns in the WAC. But Andrew Luck would still be the first overall pick if he played Colt Brennan's 2007 schedule and Andre Woodson would still be a sixth-rounder despite posting fantastic statistics against SEC competition.

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In the context of that player's statistical performance, yes; 40 touchdowns in the B1G are weighed differently than 40 touchdowns in the WAC. But Andrew Luck would still be the first overall pick if he played Colt Brennan's 2007 schedule and Andre Woodson would still be a sixth-rounder despite posting fantastic statistics against SEC competition.

 

If Andrew Luck had a clone and one played in the WAC and the other one played in the SEC. They made the same exact types of defensive reads (one vs more complicated defenses) were able to maneuver around pass rushers (one vs more athletic pass rushers) and made the same throws (one vs more athletic defensive backs), which one would you feel more comfortable taking?

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