So, the fact that it's passing yards is somehow comical?  I guess I can see your point if you're trying to spin mediocrity as being elite.  I know you do this on a daily basis in your own life, but it's a tough sell trying to convince people that David Garrard was ever anything even remotely close to elite status in the league.  18th in passing.  Elite indeed.

 

 

18th in passing YARDS despite playing only 12 games. You leave that nugget out conveniently. Extrapolated to a 16 game schedule, Garrard's yardage is right there near the top 10 amongst regular starters. 

 

Plus, he was 7th in YPA amongst starters with 200 attempts, which is a reasonable cut off point for starters. 

 

3rd in QB rating. 

 

His record that year was 9-3, 1-1 in the playoffs. 10-4 total. 

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18th in passing YARDS despite playing only 12 games. You leave that nugget out conveniently. Extrapolated to a 16 game schedule, Garrard's yardage is right there near the top 10 amongst regular starters. 

 

Plus, he was 7th in YPA amongst starters with 200 attempts, which is a reasonable cut off point for starters. 

 

3rd in QB rating. 

 

His record that year was 9-3, 1-1 in the playoffs. 10-4 total.

Not elite.

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Not elite.

 

Ok, I'll file this away for future reference, should the Jags get a QB who we disagree on. If he should post a season like Garrard's in 2007, then that is "not elite". Your words. 

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One year...."elite" status is awarded to a career of greatness....using Garrard's ONE season of flash in the pan to declare him "elite" yet didn't you declare that Eli Manning wasn't elite in another thread?...lets compare the two.

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One year...."elite" status is awarded to a career of greatness....using Garrard's ONE season of flash in the pan to declare him "elite" yet didn't you declare that Eli Manning wasn't elite in another thread?...lets compare the two.

 

I am not declaring Garrard as an "elite" QB careerwise. I said that his 2007 season was elite. 

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I am not declaring Garrard as an "elite" QB careerwise. I said that his 2007 season was elite.

Them posters, who still wear the Leftwich PJ's, are not going to admit ANYTHING... start a QB thread or even mention Garrard in a post and some comes out of the wood-work to throw their lack of sense into it...

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18th in passing YARDS despite playing only 12 games. You leave that nugget out conveniently. Extrapolated to a 16 game schedule, Garrard's yardage is right there near the top 10 amongst regular starters. 

 

Plus, he was 7th in YPA amongst starters with 200 attempts, which is a reasonable cut off point for starters. 

 

3rd in QB rating. 

 

His record that year was 9-3, 1-1 in the playoffs. 10-4 total. 

 

Good post. You might have won your debate with this last thought.

 

If I recall my Jaguar history didn't they beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh in the playoffs? At the time that was a huge upset. To me that is actually an important point you left out. The Steelers of this era were very good teams and Super Bowl contenders. Didn't he have a key clutch run late in the game that sealed the win for the Jaguars?

 

How a QB plays in important road playoff games against good teams is very important in these types of discussions. Just ask Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.

 

A QB who goes 10-4, is 3rd in QB rating and wins a playoff game at Pittsburgh? Perhaps its not elite. But its not bad. And its certainly better than anything they have had since.

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Them posters, who still wear the Leftwich PJ's, are not going to admit ANYTHING... start a QB thread or even mention Garrard in a post and some comes out of the wood-work to throw their lack of sense into it...

 

Agreed. 

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Good post. You might have won your debate with this last thought.

 

If I recall my Jaguar history didn't they beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh in the playoffs? At the time that was a huge upset. To me that is actually an important point you left out. The Steelers of this era were very good teams and Super Bowl contenders. Didn't he have a key clutch run late in the game that sealed the win for the Jaguars?

 

How a QB plays in important road playoff games against good teams is very important in these types of discussions. Just ask Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.

 

A QB who goes 10-4, is 3rd in QB rating and wins a playoff game at Pittsburgh? Perhaps its not elite. But its not bad. And its certainly better than anything they have had since.

 

It wasn't bad.  It just wasn't elite as TMD has tried to portray it.  Garrard had a very fortuitous stretch in 2007 that ultimately landed him one of the largest contracts in franchise history.  He subsequently demonstrated why 2007 was not a sign of being elite, but rather an anomaly in an otherwise pretty pedestrian career.  Nobody is denying he had a good year, and that there were some big wins in there.  But, to call it elite? 

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Good post. You might have won your debate with this last thought.

 

If I recall my Jaguar history didn't they beat the Steelers at Pittsburgh in the playoffs? At the time that was a huge upset. To me that is actually an important point you left out. The Steelers of this era were very good teams and Super Bowl contenders. Didn't he have a key clutch run late in the game that sealed the win for the Jaguars?

 

How a QB plays in important road playoff games against good teams is very important in these types of discussions. Just ask Joe Flacco and Eli Manning.

 

A QB who goes 10-4, is 3rd in QB rating and wins a playoff game at Pittsburgh? Perhaps its not elite. But its not bad. And its certainly better than anything they have had since.

 

The most telling thing that year was the 3 game stretch mid-year when Garrard was hurt. Quinn Gray started three straight road games and went 2-1. The two wins were against Tampa and Tennessee, both playoff teams. Gray was out of the NFL by the next season. There was little drop off from Garrard to a guy who was a career third stringer.

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The most telling thing that year was the 3 game stretch mid-year when Garrard was hurt. Quinn Gray started three straight road games and went 2-1. The two wins were against Tampa and Tennessee, both playoff teams. Gray was out of the NFL by the next season. There was little drop off from Garrard to a guy who was a career third stringer.

 

So, in the end... how'd that work out for us?

 

There were many who incorrectly believed that we were "set" at QB, including the FO, and we neglected the position for nearly a decade.

 

That false sense of security has cause the QB position to look like it does today.

 

Had we started drafting QBs and bringing in FAs as short term solutions (McNair, Warner, Hasselbeck all became available and would have been fine solutions as we groomed a draft pick,) we wouldn't be rock bottom as we are today.

 

Since Brunell, we've had no viable franchise QB on the roster and we've only made two efforts to draft one (Leftwich, Gabbert.)

 

We're QB starved, because we quit.  We thought we had our "solution" on the roster at the time.  Well, look where that got us.

 

I expect at least one QB drafted, another brough in FA to compete for the job.

 

Whoever wins it... If some of you can't stand united behind our next QB (for once,) well...

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I see the Jaguars Organization is going to give two free drinks, including beer, to single game ticket buyers for the Indy game.... and the rest of us season ticket holders get shafted again.

 

Whats the deal...??? This team offends so many people that have consistently bought tickets for many many losing years....

 

Gabbert is not good enough... and water fountains are full of bacteria... give me beer or give me QB....

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Ok, I'll file this away for future reference, should the Jags get a QB who we disagree on. If he should post a season like Garrard's in 2007, then that is "not elite". Your words. 

Boy, that will really show me. 

 

We had this debate in 2007 when you tried to apply the label, and it was laughable then just as it's laughable now.  He had a good season in 2007.  Nobody is denying that fact.  It eludes you for some reason.  I guess if we don't bow down to your opinion that he was elite for a nanosecond of a career, that we think he stunk that year?  Is that how you see it?  Because that's not the case at all. 

 

This team has never truly had an elite QB.  We've had some good, and even some exceptional seasons from QBs in the past, but even Mark Brunell proved to be in that 2nd tier of very good QBs when the dust settled.  He had some great seasons as the starting QB for the Jags, and set a fairly high bar for anyone following him.  I'd take the next Mark Brunell that's available to us in a heartbeat.  He was a gifted athlete who was smart, mobile early on, and good with the deep passes.  It helped he had 2 phenomenal receivers, and a great line to work behind. 

 

You'd have a more sound argument saying Brunell had elite years, which once again would pretty much dwarf Garrard in his best season.  I know you simply can't admit you're being hyperbolic with regard to Garrard, but deep down you know he was never anything even remotely close to elite.  Good?  Sure, on his best day.  Elite?  Never.  Pedestrian?  70% of his career.  Not so good?  25% of his career. 

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The most telling thing that year was the 3 game stretch mid-year when Garrard was hurt. Quinn Gray started three straight road games and went 2-1. The two wins were against Tampa and Tennessee, both playoff teams. Gray was out of the NFL by the next season. There was little drop off from Garrard to a guy who was a career third stringer.

TMD calls Garrard elite, but at the same time said Quinn Gray was the best QB on the roster during that period.  So, does that make Gray super elite?

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I see the Jaguars Organization is going to give two free drinks, including beer, to single game ticket buyers for the Indy game.... and the rest of us season ticket holders get shafted again.

 

Whats the deal...??? This team offends so many people that have consistently bought tickets for many many losing years....

 

Gabbert is not good enough... and water fountains are full of bacteria... give me beer or give me QB....

 

Nice try. It's a promotion with Bud Light. They had the same promotion for the Chiefs game. I'd bet money you don't have season tickets anyway. The biggest compaliners usually do not but like to pretend they do.

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So, in the end... how'd that work out for us?

 

There were many who incorrectly believed that we were "set" at QB, including the FO, and we neglected the position for nearly a decade.

 

That false sense of security has cause the QB position to look like it does today.

 

Had we started drafting QBs and bringing in FAs as short term solutions (McNair, Warner, Hasselbeck all became available and would have been fine solutions as we groomed a draft pick,) we wouldn't be rock bottom as we are today.

 

Since Brunell, we've had no viable franchise QB on the roster and we've only made two efforts to draft one (Leftwich, Gabbert.)

 

We're QB starved, because we quit.  We thought we had our "solution" on the roster at the time.  Well, look where that got us.

 

I expect at least one QB drafted, another brough in FA to compete for the job.

 

Whoever wins it... If some of you can't stand united behind our next QB (for once,) well...

 

I think we are on the same page with this one. Garrard was the worst kind of QB. Even worse than a total bust. He is a just good enough guy. Just good enough to get you to 8-8. Maybe better in the perfect situation. We saw that in 2007. Elite running game, good defense. 11 wins. And then the next three years were at or under .500. I think you will find alot of us wanted the team to draft a QB early in 2008, 2009 and 2010. The fact they did not is inexcusable. 

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TMD calls Garrard elite, but at the same time said Quinn Gray was the best QB on the roster during that period.  So, does that make Gray super elite?

 

He also calls Garrard elite for one "outlier" year and yet treats Marcedes Lewis like he's the scum of the earth for essentially the same thing. I guess once you get buried in a narrative, it is tought to get out of it.

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I see the Jaguars Organization is going to give two free drinks, including beer, to single game ticket buyers for the Indy game.... and the rest of us season ticket holders get shafted again.

 

Whats the deal...??? This team offends so many people that have consistently bought tickets for many many losing years....

 

Gabbert is not good enough... and water fountains are full of bacteria... give me beer or give me QB....

 

If you want to drink, you can get tanked for much cheaper outside at the tailgates with the rest of the season ticket holders...if you even are one.

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He also calls Garrard elite for one "outlier" year and yet treats Marcedes Lewis like he's the scum of the earth for essentially the same thing. I guess once you get buried in a narrative, it is tought to get out of it.

He also dismisses Eli as being elite with two Super Bowl wins. Statistically I agree with him. But I don't reach to portray either player as being elite. He can't say the same.


He's too dug in to admit he was wrong about Garrard.

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