And what about women who feel uncomfortable seeing trans-men in the women's room, that aren't uncomfortable with trans-women in the women's room?  Like my wife.  Apparently she doesn't count to you.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

It's the republican play book...

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Muslims are out to kill you. Obama is gonna destroy America. They are coming for your guns. The war on Christmas. The government is a tyrannical monster taking your freedom. FEMA camps. And now: the transgender are going to rape our little princesses in the potty.


It's ridiculous, I'm just not sure why people still buy these fear tactics after all these years.

I know right, after all republicans are out to steal your social security, republicans hate black people, shall I go on?  Both sides play into this fear mongering.  Too bad we all don't research this crap but oh look Dancing With the Stars is on...

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I accept this as a concession to my argument, and your apology.

You are better than this, don't be an [BLEEP].

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Lol,dude, that's not how things work.


So you have decided that you know what is in the heart of Muslims, and that most of them want to kill you...

Google is a marvelous tool.  How many images can you find of Muslim's can you find protesting the attacks of 9-11?




Christians hate abortion, a small % of them, less than 1%, have recently killed an abortionist. Therefore all Christians are out to kill abortionists?

 

<b><i>The question you need to ask is how many Christians condone or are silent about these attacks.</i></b>


White people in the south support the confederate flag, all of the w whites in southerner states are racists...

 

Really?  Is that not the media driven theme?  If you disagree discussion over and you are a tool



See how ridiculous that argument is?


You have to deal with the facts. Isis is not all Muslims, 99.99% of Muslims are not looking to kill you.

 

<b><i>No they are not but the silence is deafening.</i></b>


Unless you listen to Glenn beck and those types of people, then Muslims all of a sudden are this huge threat we need to worry about.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Does it make it easier for you to talk about this issue by using terms like software and hardware or something? I am having a hard time figuring weather it's your way of coping with a situation you are uneasy with or you are using those terms to poke fun of the situation like the people use Obummer and dear leader and the like.

 

You could have just said nobody wants to address the questions I asked about rather then deflecting into another question that I think we all already know the answer to. That being, of course they have been using them while no one else was the wiser but now it is illegal in some places, hence why we keep talking about it. Or are you saying it should just be another "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"?

No fun poking intended. They're just easier terms to work with than explaining what a transmale is, or using the (unfairly) loaded term "chosen gender". Most everyone understands the difference between hardware and software, and it seems to be easier to understand without raising emotions to the point that common sense discussion is unattainable.

 

I do, in many ways, question why a group that, for the most part, just wants to be left alone to live as they are is seeking the right to do something that, if they're doing it right, no one would even know they're doing. No one's going to do a "hardware check" before letting someone into the restroom, and last I checked, it's not a crime for a person with male hardware to go into a women's restroom anyway...

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It's not the lifestyle at the heart of those problems, it's mainly the problems associated with living in families and a society that rejects you.

 

I asked my 13 year old niece what she would do if a transwoman was in a public restroom she was in, she just laughed and said it happened once. I asked her if it bothered her, she just laughed and looked at me funny, as if the idea was absurd.

 

Kids will be fine as long as their parents don't screw them up.

Ah well now I get it.  13 year old boys shoving firecrackers up a toads butt and lighting is now acceptable as long as their parents don't teach them otherwise correct?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

No fun poking intended. They're just easier terms to work with than explaining what a transmale is, or using the (unfairly) loaded term "chosen gender". Most everyone understands the difference between hardware and software, and it seems to be easier to understand without raising emotions to the point that common sense discussion is unattainable.

 

I do, in many ways, question why a group that, for the most part, just wants to be left alone to live as they are is seeking the right to do something that, if they're doing it right, no one would even know they're doing. No one's going to do a "hardware check" before letting someone into the restroom, and last I checked, it's not a crime for a person with male hardware to go into a women's restroom anyway...

Because you cant change society by living quietly within it.

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To be fair if a man wanted to go into a women's bathroom there's nothing stopping him.

Yes there is, we're called husbands, fathers, grandfathers and anyone else willing to stand up to a sick bastage willing to pervert a law.  

 

When do I or my kind get a law to protect us from from kicking these perverts [BLEEP] into the ground?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I know all about the melting pot.  Are LGBT trying to assimilate into this culture?  No.  La Raza?  "For those of the race, everything, for those outside the race, nothing".  So that's a no.  Islamic jihad demands that they convert or kill all infidels.  So that's a no. 

 

So it's people who hate our culture and want to replace it.  The left seems just fine with this, but what are we replacing it with?  The tolerance doesn't seem to work both ways, snowflakes.  The left wishes to cede power and control to those who would gladly murder us and take everything we own.  I don't think this ends well. 

Sounds to me, based on your last two replies, you might just belong to a similar group you describe just for whites.

 

Does the KKK try to assimilate to our culture? No, in fact, they used to be the culture of this country during a time that a whole lot of conservatives lament the loss of and had to be fought against. Black's didn't have right's and neither did women. Those were both ingrained parts of this culture that had to be eliminated. Black's and women hated your culture as well. They won so now you all have moved onto the LGBT. 

 

Does LGBT try assimilate to our culture? They try to live their lives as Americans but that isn't what you mean is it? You mean straight white culture. 

 

As for the bolded, live in fear if it helps you deal with the boogeymen you see around every corner. 

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Yes there is, we're called husbands, fathers, grandfathers and anyone else willing to stand up to a sick bastage willing to pervert a law.  

 

When do I or my kind get a law to protect us from from kicking these perverts [BLEEP] into the ground?

I already asked this and it predictably got ignored but what about the sick bastards in the men's room who do dastardly deeds to the M2F's forced to use the men's restroom? Or the little boy's that have to see a lady walk in the men's room. Who is going to protect them. I think you guys don't think of all the angles sometimes.... Just the one that peaks your interest (those perverts going after my little princess)

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I notice you chose to not answer the question. The man in the first picture is a biological woman. The North Carolina law would require him to use the woman's restroom.


Your silly comment about Kaitlyn Jenner does bring to mind a question. How will a law restricting transgenders to the restroom that corresponds to their genitals be enforced? Grope checks? IDs? What if they've had reassignment surgery, will there be some sort of verification of authenticity process?

Bull!  No woman can produce that facial hair, or that build without massive massive massive assistance.  Let's not distort the argument with such falsehoods

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

No fun poking intended. They're just easier terms to work with than explaining what a transmale is, or using the (unfairly) loaded term "chosen gender". Most everyone understands the difference between hardware and software, and it seems to be easier to understand without raising emotions to the point that common sense discussion is unattainable.

 

I do, in many ways, question why a group that, for the most part, just wants to be left alone to live as they are is seeking the right to do something that, if they're doing it right, no one would even know they're doing. No one's going to do a "hardware check" before letting someone into the restroom, and last I checked, it's not a crime for a person with male hardware to go into a women's restroom anyway...

 

I'm going to wager these came about probably due to discrimination. That's pretty much how all these things start in regards to LGBT... They speak up when they are discriminated against. In response the right rushes to pass laws allowing the discrimination.

 

Customers try to buy a cake. Get discriminated against. They speak out. That's usually how these things go down. 

 

Regardless, it's out there. So now the conversation is taking place. Parts are being ignored.... Like a couple questions I have asked that no one has yet attempted to address. 

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I was using hate in a general term. Attempting to pass or passing bills that outright discriminate, allow discrimination, promote discrimination, or deny equal rights to a person a group of people may not be outright hate in your mind but sure as heck is not love. 

 

If you can't admit that a large portion of the conservative base hates
LGBTs, Muslims, Mexicans and/or a myriad of other groups of humans than maybe that's the reason some people don't understand why the word hate is used in the first place.

Why is it that if I disagree with you I must hate you?  The mind set of people on the left confounds me.  I love Hispanic people and their work ethic. (no clue how the lazy Mexican stereotype came to be fyi) yet I hate illegals in my country.  Which is it in your mind?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Jesus.. Political Correctness has really screwed this country up.

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I already asked this and it predictably got ignored but what about the sick [BAD WORD REMOVED] in the men's room who do dastardly deeds to the M2F's forced to use the men's restroom? Or the little boy's that have to see a lady walk in the men's room. Who is going to protect them. I think you guys don't think of all the angles sometimes.... Just the one that peaks your interest (those perverts going after my little princess)

I have read and re-read your response several times boudreaumw and I am not sure of your point.  I know of no one that condones a pervert assaulting a child regardless of gender.  I don't want some woman that identifies as a man that thinks she is a homosexual going down on my 6 year old grandson.  Why is being protective of my family frowned upon?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

I have read and re-read your response several times boudreaumw and I am not sure of your point.  I know of no one that condones a pervert assaulting a child regardless of gender.  I don't want some woman that identifies as a man that thinks she is a homosexual going down on my 6 year old grandson.  Why is being protective of my family frowned upon?

 

Because you aren't being protective of your family.  There's no instances of a transgender person going into the bathroom of their gender identity and molesting someone.  Absolutely NONE.   In states where they allow transgender people to use the bathroom of their gender identity, sexual assault in bathrooms have NOT gone up.    You're trying to protect against an absolute minority of people from a problem that does NOT exist.    This law doesn't protect anyone.

 

And don't go with that ridiculous "Oh, but someone can dress up as a woman and go into the bathroom and claim they are transgender so they can molest my grandchildren!"  because under YOUR law, the man doesn't even have to dress up to do it, he just has to claim he's a trans-male.  And the man that does that, isn't going to be bothered by the laws in the first place.  "I was going to dress up as a woman, and go into the women's room, but that North Carolina Law makes it impossible!"  (said no child molester ever)

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Because you aren't being protective of your family.  There's no instances of a transgender person going into the bathroom of their gender identity and molesting someone.  Absolutely NONE.   In states where they allow transgender people to use the bathroom of their gender identity, sexual assault in bathrooms have NOT gone up.    You're trying to protect against an absolute minority of people from a problem that does NOT exist.    This law doesn't protect anyone.

 

And don't go with that ridiculous "Oh, but someone can dress up as a woman and go into the bathroom and claim they are transgender so they can molest my grandchildren!"  because under YOUR law, the man doesn't even have to dress up to do it, he just has to claim he's a trans-male.  And the man that does that, isn't going to be bothered by the laws in the first place.  "I was going to dress up as a woman, and go into the women's room, but that North Carolina Law makes it impossible!"  (said no child molester ever)

Look I am not trying to be obtuse and I know you are not as well.  What is wrong with taking protective measures against people that will pervert this new found tolerance?  Are you really trying to deny that there are people that would not take advantage of this?  

 

Also. I have asked several times and not one person had answered why should any women be made to feel uncomfortable to make a transgender happy?

 

Edit:  To your last, why make it easy for them?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Look I am not trying to be obtuse and I know you are not as well.  What is wrong with taking protective measures against people that will pervert this new found tolerance?  Are you really trying to deny that there are people that would not take advantage of this?  

 

Also. I have asked several times and not one person had answered why should any women be made to feel uncomfortable to make a transgender happy?

 

And what about people who will use the law to their advantage, by saying they're trans-male to get access to the bathroom?  Because that's all they'd have to do.  No dressing up, or anything.  


Also I asked, and never had it answered: What about women who are uncomfortable using the same bathroom with a trans-male, rather than a trans-female? 

Several women I know including my wife would rather use the same bathroom as someone who looks like this:




Than someone who looks like this:




ETA: You're the one making it easy for them.  All they have to do is say they've had gender reassignment surgery to get access to the bathroom of the opposite sex.  Or you know.. just walk inside. Because you're requiring transgender individuals to use the bathroom of their biological sex.  That makes it even easier for them.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

All this kerfuffle over less than 0.3 percent of the population.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And what about people who will use the law to their advantage, by saying they're trans-male to get access to the bathroom?  Because that's all they'd have to do.  No dressing up, or anything.  


Also I asked, and never had it answered: What about women who are uncomfortable using the same bathroom with a trans-male, rather than a trans-female? 

Several women I know including my wife would rather use the same bathroom as someone who looks like this:




Than someone who looks like this:




ETA: You're the one making it easy for them.  All they have to do is say they've had gender reassignment surgery to get access to the bathroom of the opposite sex.  Or you know.. just walk inside. Because you're requiring transgender individuals to use the bathroom of their biological sex.  That makes it even easier for them.

You said:  And what about people who will use the law to their advantage, by saying they're trans-male to get access to the bathroom?  Because that's all they'd have to do.  No dressing up, or anything.  



 

Point 1.  Did we just agree here?  How can I make this clear?  If you had a lopitoffofme you are one committed son of a gun.  If you had an addadicktome you are one committed son of a gun.  If you are sporting a johnson go to the men's room, if you are not sporting a johnson go to the women's room.  If you are somewhere inbetween go to the family bathroom alone.  

 

Point 2.  As several have asked what about the locker room?  You and I both know that is next.  Are you comfortable with unisex showers in HS?  That is where this conversation is going don't you know?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.