A few observations from that video.


A) Allen looks like the greatest qb to ever play the game (god bless YouTube highlights!)

2) What a game! (Do teams play defense in college?)

iii) and most importantly, they had a TE named Jeremy Sprinkle... JEREMY SPRINKLE! WHY HAVE WE NOT PICKED UP JEREMY SPRINKLE YET!!! (Imagine the fun and games this board could have with a real life sprinkle)

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Lol at Sprinkle, good catch and props to the OP for the Allen call. Here's hoping it's a good call by Dave and him.

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Its all of his throws they arent highlights, and Sprinkle stayed in college bc of Henry

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He has good pocket awareness, from the video I saw but CBS knocks on him for having small hands & state the talent on Arkansas made him look better than he is... i dunno I dont see him going in the 1st round...

 

 

QB Big Board

1. Brandon Allen Arkansas (2nd rd)

2. Jared Goff California  (2nd rd)

3. Dak Prescott Mississippi St (3rd rd)

4. Connor Cook Michigan St (3rd rd)

5. Cardale Jones Ohio St  (4th rd) 

6. Carson Wentz N Dakota St (4th rd)

7. Jacoby Brissett NC St (4th rd)

8. Jeff Driskel  LaTech (5th rd)

9. Kevin Hogan Stanford (6th rd)

10. Jacob Coker Alabama (6th rd)

 

I'm not sold on Wentz or Lynch due to the lack of opposition and for Wentz lack of play. He missed half the year and has limited tape. Guys are also running wide open all over the place. The shocker here is Allen. I am an SEC fan, so bias is here, but I watched him play LSU and MISSST and this guys lets it rip. He will sit and get killed but throws a frozen rope to his recievers. I have never seen so many "big boy" throws in one game as Allen did against MISSST. He threw it seemed like 50 throws that I just sat back and said how? I dont really know why he isnt being talked about. I believe, like I did in McCarron, that he is the best QB in this draft. I know the size isnt there but the skill is. He can do it all and is the prototypical pocket passer of the 1990's.

 

If you dont believe me,

I guess you are extra excited getting your SEC QB that you had so high on your own draft board huh?

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I guess you are extra excited getting your SEC QB that you had so high on your own draft board huh?

TBH I didnt like any of them, one doesnt win, one plays for a crappy team, and one doesnt play and was on a crappy team. I just couldnt force myself to like them Believe me I tried with Goff. Cook isnt a leader and Hack just kinda slings it with no questions asked. So I looked for the guy I liked the best and it happened to be Brandon Allen. but compared to our other picks, Im not all thrilled about it. Although I do love me some Allen.

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I thought we were past the size thing. Wilson, Brees, Dalton, Romo. He didnt get hurt and his frame is fine unlike Mariota. Yea he looks down safeties but Wentz doesnt even know what a safety is yet. Idk how a guy from ND st gets such high praise and only played a handful of games this year is the best qb in the nation coming out. Ooh he is 6'6" and can run fast. How did that work with Gabbert who had similar size, speed, and stats.Dude hasnt even played in a big game, or a big crowd, or against a linebacker who can kill him, or a safety who baits him. How do you draft a guy 2nd overall and not even seen him play, just going off athletic ability and size. I dont see anybody as a 1st rd talent but really? Carson Wentz?

 

The NFL isn't past the size thing at QB.  It's like the litmus test for whether you have a decent chance to be successful or not in the NFL.  It doesn't mean you automatically can play if you're prototypical height.  But if you're under 6'2", you can say with a high level of confidence that it's probably not going to work out.  Not that those guys are undraftable, you just don't spend a high draft pick on a short guy unless you're the Browns and panic that someone is going to steal your pipsqueak "franchise" guy.  Brees and Wilson went in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively and both had a lot going for them that would warrant a look in the rounds they were drafted, but not in the 1st.

 

Allen is a developmental guy and to be quite honest it's probably not going to work out for him, but in the 6th round it's worth the risk.  6'2" is the bottom end of the height spectrum for QBs in the NFL.  Go look up the height of QBs throughout NFL history.  The number of them that are 6'1" or shorter and have any sort of meaningful playing career is staggeringly low.

 

I'll take your top rating though considering we got the guy.  I hope it works out for him.

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The NFL isn't past the size thing at QB.  It's like the litmus test for whether you have a decent chance to be successful or not in the NFL.  It doesn't mean you automatically can play if you're prototypical height.  But if you're under 6'2", you can say with a high level of confidence that it's probably not going to work out.  Not that those guys are undraftable, you just don't spend a high draft pick on a short guy unless you're the Browns and panic that someone is going to steal your pipsqueak "franchise" guy.  Brees and Wilson went in the 2nd and 3rd rounds respectively and both had a lot going for them that would warrant a look in the rounds they were drafted, but not in the 1st.

 

Allen is a developmental guy and to be quite honest it's probably not going to work out for him, but in the 6th round it's worth the risk.  6'2" is the bottom end of the height spectrum for QBs in the NFL.  Go look up the height of QBs throughout NFL history.  The number of them that are 6'1" or shorter and have any sort of meaningful playing career is staggeringly low.

 

I'll take your top rating though considering we got the guy.  I hope it works out for him.

Maybe it is because they never got the chance they deserved.

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Doug Flutie says hi, you probably have to look down to see him because he's only 5'10".  He won the Heisman Trophy in 1984, Pro Bowl in 1998 among many other awards.

 

Many don't realize that Sonny Jurgensen is only 5'11" you know he is only a HALL OF FAME QB.  I guess nobody told him that you have to be at least 6'2" as you had mentioned Jaguarmeister.

 

I wonder if the reporter Joe Theismann knows that QBs must be 6'2" since he is only 6'0" and was a very famous QB for Washington and if he reports a story on Michael Vick he might want to inform the 6'0" QB that he can no longer play due to his height being inadequate. 

 

One of the shortest QBs was Eddie LeBaron, 5'7" he only made it to four Pro Bowls....

 

Too many stereotypes in Football.  By the way I'm 6'2" I used to be 6'3" but I shrunk with my old age.  I point that out incase you thought I was bias due to my own height or something.

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Maybe it is because they never got the chance they deserved.

 

They're getting drafted in the late rounds and brought onto rosters via UDFA.  That should be chance enough.  It may happen from time to time, but coaches aren't generally sitting better players on the bench.

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Doug Flutie says hi, you probably have to look down to see him because he's only 5'10".  He won the Heisman Trophy in 1984, Pro Bowl in 1998 among many other awards.

 

Many don't realize that Sonny Jurgensen is only 5'11" you know he is only a HALL OF FAME QB.  I guess nobody told him that you have to be at least 6'2" as you had mentioned Jaguarmeister.

 

I wonder if the reporter Joe Theismann knows that QBs must be 6'2" since he is only 6'0" and was a very famous QB for Washington and if he reports a story on Michael Vick he might want to inform the 6'0" QB that he can no longer play due to his height being inadequate. 

 

One of the shortest QBs was Eddie LeBaron, 5'7" he only made it to four Pro Bowls....

 

Too many stereotypes in Football.  By the way I'm 6'2" I used to be 6'3" but I shrunk with my old age.  I point that out incase you thought I was bias due to my own height or something.

 

Flutie was drafted in the 11th round, Jurgensen in the 4th, Theisman in the 4th and LeBaron in the 10th.  In the case of LeBaron, I don't think players in general were as big back then as they are now across all positions but that's just a hunch on my part and not based on anything and frankly I don't care to look it up.  Regardless, you could probably have a list of 10 quarterbacks throughout history that had success in the NFL at 6'1" and under.  It happens, it's just extremely rare.  Knowing that, why would any GM worth his salt risk a 1st round pick on a non-prototypical sized QB?  The answer is: they wouldn't.  And the reason why they generally won't is because they know that size matters.

 

Again, I hope it works out for Allen but realistically it probably won't.  Not only is he short for the position, but he has small hands as well.  Smaller than Bridgewater's which were a concern during the build up to the draft a couple of years ago.  It's not a good combination.  If you gave him a clean pocket 95% of the time... maybe, but that's not a realistic possibility in the NFL. By comparison, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson have ginormous hands which are close to being an inch and a half bigger than Allen's.

 

I cringe at the thought of this guy taking a hit from an NFL lineman and wonder how many times out of 10 the ball ends up on the ground.  Probably more than what many would be comfortable with.

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They're getting drafted in the late rounds and brought onto rosters via UDFA.  That should be chance enough.  It may happen from time to time, but coaches aren't generally sitting better players on the bench.

That's not really a chance. That's a be a camp arm so we have enough qbs to throw to our wrs. Maybe if a short qb had some faith put in him he could do something. Instead we draft 6 foot 7 nobody's who have never succeeded and give up the franchise to draft them. Meanwhile a big school short qb gets passed over even though he shows up and wins games against the Alabamas of the world or Ohio St.

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When a guy is the best passer ever and wins games, you are gonna take if out of consideration because he's 6'1 instead of 6'2 or '3. Obviously it's a disadvantage but I'd take the short good one over the giant scrub. I can name a bunch of busts because they were drafted for size and not talent. I'll give ya a hint. One of them were here.

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Flutie was drafted in the 11th round, Jurgensen in the 4th, Theisman in the 4th and LeBaron in the 10th.  In the case of LeBaron, I don't think players in general were as big back then as they are now across all positions but that's just a hunch on my part and not based on anything and frankly I don't care to look it up.  Regardless, you could probably have a list of 10 quarterbacks throughout history that had success in the NFL at 6'1" and under.  It happens, it's just extremely rare.  Knowing that, why would any GM worth his salt risk a 1st round pick on a non-prototypical sized QB?  The answer is: they wouldn't.  And the reason why they generally won't is because they know that size matters.

 

Again, I hope it works out for Allen but realistically it probably won't.  Not only is he short for the position, but he has small hands as well.  Smaller than Bridgewater's which were a concern during the build up to the draft a couple of years ago.  It's not a good combination.  If you gave him a clean pocket 95% of the time... maybe, but that's not a realistic possibility in the NFL. By comparison, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson have ginormous hands which are close to being an inch and a half bigger than Allen's.

 

I cringe at the thought of this guy taking a hit from an NFL lineman and wonder how many times out of 10 the ball ends up on the ground.  Probably more than what many would be comfortable with.

 

I don't feel the GM risked really anything it was a 6th round pick (201) the 2nd of their two 6 round picks. 

 

ESPN wrote on Allen

 

One of the things the Jaguars really liked about Allen was the fact that he played in multiple offenses during his career at Arkansas. That showcased his ability to learn and adapt and he played well throughout his career despite the changes. His 7,463 career passing yards are third in Arkansas history. Allen played for the Jaguars coaching staff at the Senior Bowl and he said that has given him a head start on the offense.

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I looked back at it the drafts since 2000 and counted on the short qbs who were given legitimate shots at playing. Drafted in res 1-3 with starting gig given.There were 3, their names Drew Brees, Michael Vick, and Russell Wilson. All given the shot to play and build around them. When a short qb is drafted they generally do pretty good when given the chance to lead their team. Manziel was no counted because he didn't give himself a chance.

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When a guy is the best passer ever and wins games, you are gonna take if out of consideration because he's 6'1 instead of 6'2 or '3. Obviously it's a disadvantage but I'd take the short good one over the giant scrub. I can name a bunch of busts because they were drafted for size and not talent. I'll give ya a hint. One of them were here.

 

Never said any of that.  The likelihood of success jumps significantly at 6'2" and above.  Players are drafted in the rounds that they are drafted in due to the likelihood that they will be successful.  6'1" and small hands doesn't lend itself to success at the QB position in the NFL.  Can he overcome it?  Maybe, but highly doubtful.  Based on purely on the data of those that have come before him with similar measurables.   

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My point is you don't really know bcc he wasn't never given the ball to throw In a meaningful game.

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I looked back at it the drafts since 2000 and counted on the short qbs who were given legitimate shots at playing. Drafted in res 1-3 with starting gig given.There were 3, their names Drew Brees, Michael Vick, and Russell Wilson. All given the shot to play and build around them. When a short qb is drafted they generally do pretty good when given the chance to lead their team. Manziel was no counted because he didn't give himself a chance.

 

Well I'm not going to argue against your self created criteria of what constitutes a chance.  It almost sounds like you're arguing for 6'1" and shorter QBs to be a protected class under the law. 

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No Allen pron won't work out because he'll never play enough to prove himself.

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A chance is a chance to compete for a starting gig, not be Tom Brady's 6th Rd lap dog.

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I'm willing to give Baker Mayfield a look in the first Rd next year and Chad Kelly both listed in many sites at under 6'2. You can go ahead and have Brad Kaaya.

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