As you can see from jib's reply, my post wasn't based solely on his post in this thread, but also on past discussions.

 

Being ignorant about a particular subject doesn't make someone ignorant in general, and it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just a lack of knowledge. IMO, he's made statements that displayed an ignorance of what it is to be transgendered, including the definition. It doesn't mean he's ignorant.

 

Frankly speaking, at the rate the terms, definitions, and qualifiers keep changing it's hard to keep up unless you're spending a lot of time thinking about it. Most people just aren't that interested or concerned in such a tiny minority.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

 

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<i>Behold man's final mad disgrace.</i>

<i>He chops his nose to spite his face.</i>

 

-Etrigan the Demon

 

Is this a music discussion? You keep singing that same old tune.

You made it more than obvious that you knew more than him on the subject, which by your definition, is trash talking. But yes, this isn't about music, so you clearly get to determine when trash talking is okay based on subject. Oh wait, no you don't. You're nothing of not mired in hypocrisy.

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Frankly speaking, at the rate the terms, definitions, and qualifiers keep changing it's hard to keep up unless you're spending a lot of time thinking about it. Most people just aren't that interested or concerned in such a tiny minority.

 

On this we agree, and from the conversations I've had it's never been much of an issue for the majority of said minority. They just go and do their business and nobody notices.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

You made it more than obvious that you knew more than him on the subject, which by your definition, is trash talking. But yes, this isn't about music, so you clearly get to determine when trash talking is okay based on subject. Oh wait, no you don't. You're nothing of not mired in hypocrisy.

 

I haven't determined anything, merely made my views known as it applies to music. I'm only disappointed in that here I was hoping to be subtle.

 

Feel free to gnaw away, maybe I'll capitulate.

 

Keep fighting the good fight, I admire your tenacity.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

The finest Photoshop gurus in the world have converged in the name of Bruce.

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I haven't determined anything, merely made my views known as it applies to music. I'm only disappointed in that here I was hoping to be subtle.

 

Feel free to gnaw away, maybe I'll capitulate.

 

Keep fighting the good fight, I admire your tenacity.

So, crawling back into that subjective hole to hide, I see. Sorry, but pointing out ignorance on a subject is either trash talking, or it is not. The subject of music is not exclusionary. If you think so, you're clearly not operating in reality.

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Yes, not sure if I can say this but parts of England have a lot of Indian communities and they get offended.

Why would Native American communities get offended in England? 

 

Bruce has to do something to stay relevant. 

With that freak show of a family he's attached to, you have to work pretty hard to one-up the kids.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

So, crawling back into that subjective hole to hide, I see. Sorry, but pointing out ignorance on a subject is either trash talking, or it is not. The subject of music is not exclusionary. If you think so, you're clearly not operating in reality.

 

You should join a debate team. Points for persistence.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

You should join a debate team. Points for persistence.

Don't mention the phrase "participation trophy", he might get triggered.

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You should join a debate team. Points for persistence.

You should join reality. Points for participation.

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Don't mention the phrase "participation trophy", he might get triggered.

What are you blathering on about now?

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It was dead for a week...just couldn't let it stay that way, could you?

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

You are not Doc Holiday!

Huh lol

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It was dead for a week...just couldn't let it stay that way, could you?

So Bruce is officially a zombie now..


It's the transgender zombie apocalypse

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So Bruce is officially a zombie now..


It's the transgender zombie apocalypse

The transgendered Zombie have rights too!!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

It was dead for a week...just couldn't let it stay that way, could you?

Sorry. From now on, I'll be sure to run all of my posts by you before I submit them.

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Sorry. From now on, I'll be sure to run all of my posts by you before I submit them.

Good idea! :yes:

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

You could show some maturity by calling her by her legal name. I don't expect you to call Caitlyn "her", you've already shown your ignorance on the subject of transgenders, but you should at least recognize the fact of her real name.

His 'real' name is the one his parents gave him and on his birth certificate, just as his 'real' gender is the one indicated by his DNA and on his birth certificate. It's not rocket science folks... and SI has just shown how low they will stoop to try to sell their brand of 'fish wrapper'.

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Well you know, you and I don't agree on a lot of things, this subject being one of them.


I've already gotten a warning for calling a certain surgery something, but in my mind. If a person has an "outie" between their legs, that person is a male. If a person has an "innie" between their legs that person is a female. It doesn't matter to me what the person "feels like" or "identifies" as. The facts are the facts. That's not "ignorance", that it is simply stating a fact.


Part of society may want me to call a biological male a "she" or a biological female a "he", but I refuse to do that.


I don't really care what people choose to do in their personal lives. It makes no difference to me and has no impact on my life whatsoever. However, I do have a problem when a sports publication wants to feature a biological male on their cover that has been out of sports for several years simply because he decided that he is a she.


Is it biological or psychological? I'm tired of getting the psychological decision of people getting put in my face and being "forced" by the mainstream as being "normal". I'm sorry, but if you were born with a penis then you are male. If you were born with a [BAD WORD REMOVED] you are female. Gender isn't a "feeling" it's a biological fact.


So no, I won't call Bruce Jenner by his chosen name and I won't address him as she, her, etc. His choice of clothing, makeup and lifestyle doesn't make him a woman.

So brave.

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