I said back to back to back. That didn't happen until 2011, 2012, 2013. 10 years after Coughlin left.

Ahh....missed that 3rd back.

 

I stand corrected. 

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Do you have confidence in Gus to get the job done?

Honestly, I wouldn't say I have confidence.

Because I don't deny the fallacies of Gus during his tenure here... I just hate when people lump too much blame where it is unwarranted.

 

However... I think Gus was handicapped roster wise.

 

I believe he has a good enough roster to win 9+ games, now.

 

And I believe if he can't he should be shown the door. 

Gus as a coach can improve just as much as any player can.


I'm optimistic he can make that "jump". And we'll all have an inkling of an idea after week 4 or 5, imo.

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Honestly, I wouldn't say I have confidence.

Because I don't deny the fallacies of Gus during his tenure here... I just hate when people lump too much blame where it is unwarranted.


However... I think Gus was handicapped roster wise.


I believe he has a good enough roster to win 9+ games, now.


And I believe if he can't he should be shown the door.

Gus as a coach can improve just as much as any player can.

I'm optimistic he can make that "jump". And we'll all have an inkling of an idea after week 4 or 5, imo.

I dislike when people say "he was handicapped a roster or our roster was terrible"! That is an excuse! Gus sits with Caldwell, and they pick players who he likes and Caldwell like. Chris Clemons is a good example of that.. Caldwell doesnt make the starting lineup Gus do... So if the roster lacked talent as some suggest, Gus is still partly responsible.

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I dislike when people say "he was handicapped a roster or our roster was terrible"! That is an excuse! Gus sits with Caldwell, and they pick players who he likes and Caldwell like. Chris Clemons is a good example of that.. Caldwell doesnt make the starting lineup Gus do... So if the roster lacked talent as some suggest, Gus is still partly responsible.

I'm talking about the roster they both inherited. 

Awful.

And then Caldwell got rid of a few good vets and replaced them with rookies of the '13 draft.

 

That's not an excuse. It's history.

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I dislike when people say "he was handicapped a roster or our roster was terrible"! That is an excuse! Gus sits with Caldwell, and they pick players who he likes and Caldwell like. Chris Clemons is a good example of that.. Caldwell doesnt make the starting lineup Gus do... So if the roster lacked talent as some suggest, Gus is still partly responsible.

Clemons was CLEARLY a stop gap player, and not intended to be a long term solution to the LEO problem.

 

Just because a team signs a player, doesn't mean that player represents the team's ideal player at that position, or even the best answer at the position.  Sometimes teams tread water or worse at a position until they can sufficiently address the position in free agency or the draft.

 

The Jaguars have signed Beachum and Linkenbach.

 

Do you honestly think they are truly satisfied with LT because they have those two?

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Clemons was CLEARLY a stop gap player, and not intended to be a long term solution to the LEO problem.


Just because a team signs a player, doesn't mean that player represents the team's ideal player at that position, or even the best answer at the position. Sometimes teams tread water or worse at a position until they can sufficiently address the position in free agency or the draft.


The Jaguars have signed Beachum and Linkenbach.


Do you honestly think they are truly satisfied with LT because they have those two?

I think Beachum will earn his contract and be our LT for a god few years.

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Clemons was CLEARLY a stop gap player, and not intended to be a long term solution to the LEO problem.


Just because a team signs a player, doesn't mean that player represents the team's ideal player at that position, or even the best answer at the position. Sometimes teams tread water or worse at a position until they can sufficiently address the position in free agency or the draft.


The Jaguars have signed Beachum and Linkenbach.


Do you honestly think they are truly satisfied with LT because they have those two?

I get the roster we had wasnt great, but Gus had two cents in the players he wanted is my point... If the player dont pan out its still on Gus .. You cant just say "we didnt have the talent".. When it was the talent that Gus selected..



Do i think they're satisfied at LT ? Yes. Caldwell recently said that he likes Joeckel and that he played well for the most part of the year. . Besides he still is one Caldwell and Gus guys.. They drafted him..



All im saying is Gus have some ownage in to who is on the field playing.. Point blank.

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Rivera?


6-10

7-9

12-4


Those were his first 3 seasons after they had the worst record in the NFL and drafted Cam...... They also played in a division with the Saints and Falcons who were winning 10+ games. If Rivera "sucked it up" then what do you call what Gus has done?


You literally can not compare Gus to anyone on any team. He has had one of the worst records to start a HC career in history. This isn't to say he can't turn it around but don't try to compare him to any other HC.

my bad I was thinkin 3 or 4 years of terrible coaching then the turn around I was thinkin 5-7 at most in those years not 12

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I get the roster we had wasnt great, but Gus had two cents in the players he wanted is my point... If the player dont pan out its still on Gus .. You cant just say "we didnt have the talent".. When it was the talent that Gus selected..



Do i think they're satisfied at LT ? Yes. Caldwell recently said that he likes Joeckel and that he played well for the most part of the year. . Besides he still is one Caldwell and Gus guys.. They drafted him..



All im saying is Gus have some ownage in to who is on the field playing.. Point blank.

My point is if he is choosing from the crumbs, rejects, and has beens, and adding to a substandard roster in the first place does it matter much if he had a choice?

 

Caldwell said he likes Joeckel, but didn't choose to exercise the option year on his deal, and brought in another LT to compete with him.    They can't be satisfied with the position.  They are tolerating it now.

 

Yes, they drafted him.  He came from a piss poor talent pool.

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All im saying is Gus have some ownage in to who is on the field playing.. Point blank.

I agree....

 

I have noted his fallacies in the on field decisions.

Like benching House, smh...

 

But his first year he was handed manure. Just pure garbage.

His second year was all rookies and 2nd year players from a really bad draft.

 

Not many coaches have to deal with that.

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Man I just don't see how anyone can look at that 2012 roster objectively and deny the putrid talent and massive holes it was carrying. I don't mind calling out the coach but this is the first time Gus has had a roster with players who can start on other NFL rosters.

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My point is if he is choosing from the crumbs, rejects, and has beens, and adding to a substandard roster in the first place does it matter much if he had a choice?


Caldwell said he likes Joeckel, but didn't choose to exercise the option year on his deal, and brought in another LT to compete with him. They can't be satisfied with the position. They are tolerating it now.


Yes, they drafted him. He came from a [BAD WORD REMOVED] poor talent pool.

I dont know all the hit and misses im sure their are some.. If we gonna say everybody from that roster was bums ? Ok. The draft was full of bum players! Ok. Free agency was trash! Ok. At what point do we say well Gus and them could have kept players like Jt.Thomas, and Daryl Smith, and Pot Roast? We cant focus all the blame on the players and not look at the coach as well..

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I agree....


I have noted his fallacies in the on field decisions.

Like benching House, smh...


But his first year he was handed manure. Just pure garbage.

His second year was all rookies and 2nd year players from a really bad draft.


Not many coaches have to deal with that.

Yea it was bad i agree.. So is this year we judge Gus??

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I dont know all the hit and misses im sure their are some.. If we gonna say everybody from that roster was bums ? Ok. The draft was full of bum players! Ok. Free agency was trash! Ok. At what point do we say well Gus and them could have kept players like Jt.Thomas, and Daryl Smith, and Pot Roast? We cant focus all the blame on the players and not look at the coach as well..

Do you truly feel if we kept those guys we would have won 10-12 games? Coaching is important but every Super Bowl winner I have ever watched had a good roster

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Do you truly feel if we kept those guys we would have won 10-12 games? Coaching is important but every Super Bowl winner I have ever watched had a good roster

Lol hell no ! Not with Gabbert and Henne at qb... I get our roster was bad.. But these are guys they selected.. Guys worthy to be in the nfl... In their eyes i suppose..

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I dont know all the hit and misses im sure their are some.. If we gonna say everybody from that roster was bums ? Ok. The draft was full of bum players! Ok. Free agency was trash! Ok. At what point do we say well Gus and them could have kept players like Jt.Thomas, and Daryl Smith, and Pot Roast? We cant focus all the blame on the players and not look at the coach as well..

 

 

Yeah, the one fault I do credit Caldwell with is letting some good talent go that had already been on the roster. I chaulk this up to his wanting to re-haul the roster, but when you look at a guy like Brandon Marshall turning into a Pro Bowl MLB for the Broncos, you have to wonder if he should have been kept.

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Yeah, the one fault I do credit Caldwell with is letting some good talent go that had already been on the roster. I chaulk this up to his wanting to re-haul the roster, but when you look at a guy like Brandon Marshall turning into a Pro Bowl MLB for the Broncos, you have to wonder if he should have been kept.

Yeah i forgot him..

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I get the roster we had wasnt great, but Gus had two cents in the players he wanted is my point... If the player dont pan out its still on Gus .. You cant just say "we didnt have the talent".. When it was the talent that Gus selected..



Do i think they're satisfied at LT ? Yes. Caldwell recently said that he likes Joeckel and that he played well for the most part of the year. . Besides he still is one Caldwell and Gus guys.. They drafted him..



All im saying is Gus have some ownage in to who is on the field playing.. Point blank.

It's true, Gus does have input as to the players we get; however, one is limited by what happens to be available at the time when looking for those new players. 'You can't always get what you want'.

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Do you truly feel if we kept those guys we would have won 10-12 games? Coaching is important but every Super Bowl winner I have ever watched had a good roster

I don't. 

 

We had all those guys on the roster the year before Bradley and Caldwell arrived, and we won 2 games.

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