Interesting that Eric Davis scoffed at Bortles being so high.

Doesn't believe he's the "11th best QB"

can name 15 QBs better he says....

 

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (although now retired so not sure he counts), other Manning, Big Ben, Cam, Romo?, I'm starting to struggle to name anyone else CLEARLY a better QB than Bortles.

Ryan..... Flacco.... I'd say it gets dicey after that.

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Interesting that Eric Davis scoffed at Bortles being so high.

Doesn't believe he's the "11th best QB"

can name 15 QBs better he says....

 

Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (although now retired so not sure he counts), other Manning, Big Ben, Cam, Romo?, I'm starting to struggle to name anyone else CLEARLY a better QB than Bortles.

Ryan..... Flacco.... I'd say it gets dicey after that.

Perhaps you could throw in Phillip Rivers into the mix, but your point remains.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Perhaps you could throw in Phillip Rivers into the mix, but your point remains.

I knew I'd miss an easy one lol

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I knew I'd miss an easy one lol

Join the club.  It's rare I make a list like that where someone doesn't point out an obvious miss that leaves me saying "D'oh!" like Homer Simpson.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Ladainian Tomlinson said he agrees with Bortles being in the top 100 and thinks he's better than Carr.

 

I like LT

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I think the argument comes down to whether you prefer a Favre or P Manning type of QB.


For the "take care of the ball" crowd, Bortles has a lot to prove.

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I think the argument comes down to whether you prefer a Favre or P Manning type of QB.


For the "take care of the ball" crowd, Bortles has a lot to prove.

 

Anyone in the "take care of the ball" crowd would be wrong to use Peyton as their example. He didn't throw less than 15 INTs in a season until his sixth year in the league.

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Anyone in the "take care of the ball" crowd would be wrong to use Peyton as their example. He didn't throw less than 15 INTs in a season until his sixth year in the league.

And last season he threw more interceptions per attempt than Bortles...

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I'd take Favre on this team ....

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Anyone in the "take care of the ball" crowd would be wrong to use Peyton as their example. He didn't throw less than 15 INTs in a season until his sixth year in the league.

Brady is sorta kinda the same way never threw over 23 tds in a year till he got Randy moss now he's usually floats above thirty

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Anyone in the "take care of the ball" crowd would be wrong to use Peyton as their example. He didn't throw less than 15 INTs in a season until his sixth year in the league.

I somewhat agree, I just couldn't really come up with a better comparison off the cuff.


But I think the point remains about how Bortles is viewed around the league or by analyst/writers.

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I somewhat agree, I just couldn't really come up with a better comparison off the cuff.


But I think the point remains about how Bortles is viewed around the league or by analyst/writers.

 

Bortles is viewed around the league in a very unfair way. His first season wasn't great, but considering the circumstances during it I think the stats were always misleading. People that watched him play saw a real diamond in the rough surrounded by chaos, people that didn't really watch him play or who were using pointless "analytics" thought he was bad, but people that actually watched the whole season saw what was there. In season two he got an NFL offensive coordinator and upgrades in some of the surrounding talent (Robinson the whole season, Julius Thomas for most of it)

 

From a historic standpoint Bortles is actually way out in front of almost everyone in his progression, but for some reason people seem to like to compare him at 23 to Manning or Brady at 30.

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Bortles is viewed around the league in a very unfair way. His first season wasn't great, but considering the circumstances during it I think the stats were always misleading. People that watched him play saw a real diamond in the rough surrounded by chaos, people that didn't really watch him play or who were using pointless "analytics" thought he was bad, but people that actually watched the whole season saw what was there. In season two he got an NFL offensive coordinator and upgrades in some of the surrounding talent (Robinson the whole season, Julius Thomas for most of it)

 

From a historic standpoint Bortles is actually way out in front of almost everyone in his progression, but for some reason people seem to like to compare him at 23 to Manning or Brady at 30.

i agree with you

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If he has another good season I could see him cracking the top 50, maybe 40.

 

The heck with all the naysayers out there.

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I survived the Gus Bradley Error.

If blake has another good season and the jags win the south, he´s top 30 imo. So glad the players around the league see the progress and heres to hoping it continues.

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Perception blurs Reality..


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If he has another good season I could see him cracking the top 50, maybe 40.

 

The heck with all the naysayers out there.

 

 

If blake has another good season and the jags win the south, he´s top 30 imo. So glad the players around the league see the progress and heres to hoping it continues.

 

Personally I think his future rankings will have more to do with how well the team around him does than about how he does.

 

Even if he has almost the same season next year that he did in 2015 if the team goes 10+ wins he'll likely be a top 30 guy just because of perception since the team is winning. If the team has another 5-6 win year I could see him being ranked the same or even marginally lower.

 

I think the team performance is what mostly held him down this year. If the team had been in the playoffs I believe he'd have been ranked much higher.

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Brady is sorta kinda the same way never threw over 23 tds in a year till he got Randy moss now he's usually floats above thirty

 


Which people never seem to remember. He also was usually around 13-14 INTs a year too. In fact, he's only thrown less than 10 INTs on a season 5 times.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Bortles is viewed around the league in a very unfair way. His first season wasn't great, but considering the circumstances during it I think the stats were always misleading. People that watched him play saw a real diamond in the rough surrounded by chaos, people that didn't really watch him play or who were using pointless "analytics" thought he was bad, but people that actually watched the whole season saw what was there. In season two he got an NFL offensive coordinator and upgrades in some of the surrounding talent (Robinson the whole season, Julius Thomas for most of it)


From a historic standpoint Bortles is actually way out in front of almost everyone in his progression, but for some reason people seem to like to compare him at 23 to Manning or Brady at 30.

While it certainly helped him, I think most people (primarily other fans and the media) forgets he wasn't even supposed to play as a rookie...

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While it certainly helped him, I think most people (primarily other fans and the media) forgets he wasn't even supposed to play as a rookie...

 

True. He was poorly coached, poorly prepared by the team, and poorly surrounded for most of the season. People that watch him last year and Mariota this year strictly for what they actually did on the field on their own compared to what their team managed to accomplish around them and weren't shown TD/INT stats and the like would come away thinking Bortles is the better player. However, people that didn't watch Bortles last year or Mariota this year come away thinking Mariota had the better rookie season even though if you actually watch them play you can see that Bortles was a guy that needed coaching up but has all of the things that allow a QB to be elite while Mariota is kind of the opposite, rarely throws a risky pass, doesn't try to make many real plays, and lacks the traits that will allow a QB to be a real elite guy. I expect Mariota to be closer to 15 TDs 15 INTs in 2016 than 35 TDs 18INTs like Bortles was in his second year.

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Argument on another site for A Rob and Bortles spot and found this.

 

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthr...st30965251

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9G4CqSzKMM

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