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DarloJAG84 · 12-28-2016, 02:11 PM

Quote:the patriots sense of self worth within the org is hilarious

This x1000.

80% of what I talk about is nonesense.. the other 25% is made up statistics...

JackCity · 12-28-2016, 02:13 PM

Quote:Outside of Brady, has any Belichick coached QB gone on to have sustained success in the league?

Nope none. Matt Cassel had one 10-6 year in Kansas City with Todd Haley coaching him but that was it.

Bullseye · 12-28-2016, 02:32 PM

Actually the asking price makes some sense.

He had a second round grade according to most observers, and he was drafted in the second round.

When he finally got the chance to play, he played well and the team won.

Recall Rob Johnson.

Most observers felt he was a possible first round pick when he came out. He was actually drafted at the top of the 4th round.

He had one good-great game for us (at Baltimore), and in 1998, we wound up getting a 1 and a 4 for him.

Now might that be too expensive for our tastes? Sure.

But the price isn't unprecedented.

Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!

StroudCrowd1 · 12-28-2016, 04:35 PM

I wouldn't give OUR first for it, but if I were in the tinhorns shoes, I'd sure as beck think about it.

HandsomeRob86 · 12-28-2016, 05:16 PM

Quote:The fact that the Patriots would ask that let's you know exactly how they feel about Jimmy G as a successor to Brady

Guess hes not a successor. They would want more if he was, and he wouldn't be up as an option.

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HandsomeRob86 · 12-28-2016, 05:18 PM

Quote:Outside of Brady, has any Belichick coached QB gone on to have sustained success in the league?

Hoyer and Cassel have been somewhat successful elsewhere. If you count Bledsoe as a Belichek coached QB, he did pretty alright as well.

Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster

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Quote:Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

Brett · 12-28-2016, 05:29 PM

Quote:No, because they have had Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Favre/Rodgers for how long.

I think thats a terrible deal but people use that excuse all the time. Those teams havr had great QB play for how long so obviously theres no need to take risks like that.

I respectfully disagree with you. Obviously they have great QB in play but in my opinion the reason these 3 organizations don't do things like that is because of their front office philosophies. They are smart. It's not just because of their QB situations.

Thundersnow · 12-28-2016, 06:18 PM

No no no no no no

TheAll22 · 12-28-2016, 06:25 PM

There are 3 Key factors in that evaluation

1. the asking price for acquiring a starting QB is always high, and is based on Sam Bradford last year

2. That's good negotiating. You always start high when asking a price

3. There are several teams who are interested and if you get them into a bidding war, you could see multiple picks involved

You need one team to value him high enough to pull the trigger on that deal. I wouldn't be shocked, good QB's don't hit the FA market and the Draft looks pretty poor for QB's ..

Garropolo looks like an attractive option for a few teams. If you want him to come in but if you aren't willing to give anything significant up, you can forget it. That's just the nature of acquiring QB's more than anything else

The Patriots know if Jacksonville or any team picking 1-10 was interested, they would be hard pressed to be in play for those picks, or they would have to compensate for the difference.

JagsFanJay · 12-28-2016, 08:02 PM

Now We Know What The Patriots Want For Jimmy Garoppolo, Would You Trade For Him?



Frank Schwab: Shutdown Corner

In case any interested teams were wondering what the price tag for New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo would be, now we have an idea.

On “Kirk and Callahan” on WEEI in Boston, ESPN’s Adam Schefter said the starting point in negotiations would be a first- and fourth-round pick. That’s what the Minnesota Vikings gave up for Sam Bradford a few months ago.

That price is fair, considering Bradford had proven to be mediocre – a trend that has unsurprisingly continued this year – and Garoppolo still has the mystery element to him. But would you give a first and fourth for Garoppolo?

Here’s what we know about Garoppolo. He has the pedigree of a late second-round pick. He has a sparkling 107.4 rating, but that comes over just 93 career passes. He has five touchdowns and no interceptions, and has generally looked good in his limited NFL action. He has played well within the Patriots’ scheme, though there are moments you are reminded he’s very inexperienced (for more read these two Greg Cosell breakdowns here and here). ESPN has also said the Patriots might not trade Garoppolo, but it’s just smart business for the team to put that message out there and protect his trade value. Maybe the Patriots hold onto him, but let’s assume they’ll listen to all trade offers.

If you could just bottle up what Garoppolo has shown over 93 NFL passes and assume he’d keep doing that in a different environment for the next 10 years, you’d be thrilled to trade just a first and fourth for him. But we know that’s not guaranteed. Brock Osweiler had seven promising starts with the Denver Broncos last season, he was a former second-round pick and the Houston Texans gambled a big contract on him. That didn’t work out. Osweiler was benched for Tom Savage two games ago. No matter how good Garoppolo has looked in limited action, you’d be trading a lot for a player who will be making his third career start on opening day next season.

And unlike a potential Garoppolo trade, the Texans didn’t even have to give up any draft picks to get Osweiler. Garoppolo’s rookie contract is up after 2017, so a team would have to give up the picks in a trade and give him a mega-deal to him before he hits free agency – no team is sending a first- and fourth-round pick to New England for one year of Garoppolo. So a team has to understand it is investing valuable draft capital and perhaps an Osweiler-type contract (even if it doesn’t reach the $18 million a year Osweiler and Bradford got, it won’t be cheap), and is doing so on a quarterback who has 93 career passes. The risk is obvious.

So now that we know generally what the Patriots will want when the trade window opens this offseason, teams in need of a quarterback have to ask themselves if Garoppolo’s small NFL sample size is worth a major commitment.

***FBT*** · 12-28-2016, 09:14 PM

That's the price tag of a team quite comfortable with not trading a guy.

Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

wg171 · 12-28-2016, 09:35 PM

Pats will be keeping Garoppolo

HandsomeRob86 · 12-28-2016, 10:13 PM

Feel like we already had this thread. Surprised it hasn't been merged yet.

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Quote:Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

**Jags02** · 12-28-2016, 10:58 PM

Quote:Feel like we already had this thread. Surprised it hasn't been merged yet.

I was surprised as well.

They're merged now.

As for Jimmy, I just don't know that I'm sold on him.

'02

TheAll22 · 12-28-2016, 10:58 PM

Quote:Pats will be keeping Garoppolo

If the price is right, they will. You don't leak hard numbers like that to the media if you are not even considering it

TheAll22 · 12-28-2016, 11:12 PM

Quote:I was surprised as well.

They're merged now.

As for Jimmy, I just don't know that I'm sold on him.

I'm sold on the fact that he is more ready than a draft pick barring a Dak Prescott. Prescott is an anomaly, a player like him coming out in consecutive years.. heck a mid/late round gem coming out that close to Russell Wilson is an anomaly

The QB market is predictably dry in FA

I'm confident that Garoppolo and a good RB (Cook/Fournette) would win this division at least. If you want to win next season Garoppolo is the guy. This town needs to start winning now, and Jimmy gives you that potential. Is he worth giving up your draft? You have to consider it.

Here's a scenario: Think of all the 2nd tier QB's in the league. Would you have given up Joeckel, Fowler or Bortles to have one of them? Instead of waiting and seeing on Bortles or waiting and seeing on Kizer? Or are you even okay with waiting for 2018?

D6 · 12-28-2016, 11:17 PM

Quote:Actually the asking price makes some sense.

He had a second round grade according to most observers, and he was drafted in the second round.

When he finally got the chance to play, he played well and the team won.

Recall Rob Johnson.

Most observers felt he was a possible first round pick when he came out. He was actually drafted at the top of the 4th round.

He had one good-great game for us (at Baltimore), and in 1998, we wound up getting a 1 and a 4 for him.

Now might that be too expensive for our tastes? Sure.

But the price isn't unprecedented.

That certainly was amongst the best trades in the 22 seasons of Jaguars history. Especially, since it led directly to the draft selection of Fred Taylor.

**Jags02** · 12-28-2016, 11:17 PM

Quote:I'm sold on the fact that he is more ready than a draft pick barring a Dak Prescott. Prescott is an anomaly, a player like him coming out in consecutive years.. heck a mid/late round gem coming out that close to Russell Wilson is an anomaly

The QB market is predictably dry in FA

I'm confident that Garoppolo and a good RB (Cook/Fournette) would win this division at least. If you want to win next season Garoppolo is the guy. This town needs to start winning now, and Jimmy gives you that potential. Is he worth giving up your draft? You have to consider it.

Here's a scenario: Think of all the 2nd tier QB's in the league. Would you have given up Joeckel, Fowler or Bortles to have one of them? Instead of waiting and seeing on Bortles or waiting and seeing on Kizer? Or are you even okay with waiting for 2018?

Let's put it this way... for the same price I'd rather have AJ McCarron. Maybe we can talk to the Bengals.

'02

GlockBortles · 12-28-2016, 11:19 PM

Quote:I'm sold on the fact that he is more ready than a draft pick barring a Dak Prescott. Prescott is an anomaly, a player like him coming out in consecutive years.. heck a mid/late round gem coming out that close to Russell Wilson is an anomaly

The QB market is predictably dry in FA

I'm confident that Garoppolo and a good RB (Cook/Fournette) would win this division at least. If you want to win next season Garoppolo is the guy. This town needs to start winning now, and Jimmy gives you that potential. Is he worth giving up your draft? You have to consider it.

Here's a scenario: Think of all the 2nd tier QB's in the league. Would you have given up Joeckel, Fowler or Bortles to have one of them? Instead of waiting and seeing on Bortles or waiting and seeing on Kizer? Or are you even okay with waiting for 2018?

Im taking caldwell and his 90% bust rate over an average game manager that has 2 games experience and a year left on his deal every single time. The fascination among fans with Jimmy is baffling.

GlockBortles · 12-28-2016, 11:23 PM

Letting the Sam Bradford trade set the market is so stupid too. That trade was based on a different level of need with a much better quarterback.