Every quarterback does. However, its extremely rare for a quarterback to have 8 tipped interceptions in one season. If it all evened out in the end, all the quarterbacks in the league would start at 8 interceptions baseline.

Read the post my man. Every QB has bad luck and good luck.


Bortles was very unlucky with 8 tipped interceptions but he was also very lucky in that he had many picks that were dropped by defenders..i.e it all balances out.

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Blake's INT rate has dropped every year that he has been in the league. Last year it was between Eli Manning and Ben Roethlisberger's. If you just knocked Blake's tipped INTs down last year to 3, which is still more than the average quarterback suffers through, then his INT rate is actually very good. His theoretical season would have been similar to Russell Wilson's and Matt Stafford's.

If we knock his unlucky picks down to 3 shouldn't we bump them back up for the dropped picks that he was lucky with? It just seems like a strange way to view the season only taking away his unlucky picks.

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Read the post my man. Every QB has bad luck and good luck.


Bortles was very unlucky with 8 tipped interceptions but he was also very lucky in that he had many picks that were dropped by defenders..i.e it all balances out.

 

It is very easy to show where 8 tipped interceptions is an anomaly.

 

Where is your proof that he had a disproportionate amount of passes dropped by the defense?  Show me something besides a, "Trust me on this."

 

Until you show any kind of evidence of such, it doesn't even out.

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I don't have 2016's stats, but in 2015, out of 37 quarterbacks who threw more than 200 attempts, 21 didn't even have a tipped interception.  Of the remaining, 15 of them had 1 tipped interception.  The only player with more than 1 tipped interception was Blaine Gabbert with 3.  Bortles throwing 8 tipped interceptions is clearly an anomaly.

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  Bortles throwing 8 tipped interceptions is clearly an anomaly.

 

It's also directly related to his accuracy issues.

 

Receivers tip balls that are delivered outside their catch radius more frequently than balls delivered on target.  Surely you noticed this happening in 2016 a number of times, no? 

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It's also directly related to his accuracy issues.

 

Receivers tip balls that are delivered outside their catch radius more frequently than balls delivered on target.  Surely you noticed this happening in 2016 a number of times, no? 

 

I'm not saying he is accurate.  I am saying he is unlucky.  There were plenty of tipped INTs right in the receivers chest or being thrown away as well.

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How is a RB going to have any effect on how well the OL run blocks?


We all know you want Fournette, which is why you brought up a RB in this thread, but Fournette isn't going to magically start making guys miss (he isn't that kind of RB to begin with) when they're in his face 3 yards behind the LoS.


Run Blocking was the issue last year and not so much due to RB problems. It's pretty obvious when two completely different style of RBs (Yeldon and Ivory) both struggled last year. The Run blocking was the main issue.



But onto the topic...


I feel Bortles is always going to throw INTs. That's just how he plays. What he needs to cut out of his game, is the untimely INTs. Ones that are early in games and at the end of halfs. When we're backed up at our own 20 yard line, or when they're on the opposing team's 20 yard line etc.


Those are the INTs that must be eliminated.

I don't know, why you asking me?

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It is very easy to show where 8 tipped interceptions is an anomaly.


Where is your proof that he had a disproportionate amount of passes dropped by the defense? Show me something besides a, "Trust me on this."


Until you show any kind of evidence of such, it doesn't even out.

You're missing the point good sir.


You are attempting to show that Bortles was a victim of pure bad luck and that he actually had a good INT % when you take this into consideration. My counter point is that you should also consider that he had quite a few passes that the defenders dropped. Not saying he had more that anyone else, simply that you have to consider both his bad luck and good luck, the result of which balances out and still shows he is very turnover prone.


Here are the condensed games so you can take a look for yourself.

 

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Feel free to let me know if you disagree.

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You're missing the point good sir.


You are attempting to show that Bortles was a victim of pure bad luck and that he actually had a good INT % when you take this into consideration. My counter point is that you should also consider that he had quite a few passes that the defenders dropped. Not saying he had more that anyone else, simply that you have to consider both his bad luck and good luck, the result of which balances out and still shows he is very turnover prone.


Here are the condensed games so you can take a look for yourself.

 

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Feel free to let me know if you disagree.

 

I guess I am missing your point.  Why even point out that he has interceptions dropped then?  Every quarterback in the NFL does.  What is relevant is the fact that he accounts for roughly a third of all tipped interceptions in the NFL and at a rate approximately 8 times greater than other quarterbacks.  Blake didn't have the same amount of tipped interceptions in previous seasons.  He had just one in 2015.  

 

People are going way overboard trying to play the blame game and shoulder Bortles with the whole load.  He actually improved last season in several ways.  The problem is that he needed to cut down on turnovers and not only did they go up, but were more noticeable/impactful in the fact that there were a lot of pick 6's - bad luck or not. 

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I guess I am missing your point. Why even point out that he has interceptions dropped then? Every quarterback in the NFL does. What is relevant is the fact that he accounts for roughly a third of all tipped interceptions in the NFL and at a rate approximately 8 times greater than other quarterbacks. Blake didn't have the same amount of tipped interceptions in previous seasons. He had just one in 2015.


People are going way overboard trying to play the blame game and shoulder Bortles with the whole load. He actually improved last season in several ways. The problem is that he needed to cut down on turnovers and not only did they go up, but were more noticeable/impactful in the fact that there were a lot of pick 6's - bad luck or not.

Because if we are bringing luck into the equation , you also have to consider that luck saved Bortles from picks too. So the tipped picks don't really point to him improving in that area at all.


Sure you can say well Bortles actually had a good INT% when you take away some of the unlucky tipped picks , but you should also consider how often he was saved lucky drops too...as I said , all in all it balances out to Bortles still being too careless with the ball.

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Because if we are bringing luck into the equation , you also have to consider that luck saved Bortles from picks too. So the tipped picks don't really point to him improving in that area at all.


Sure you can say well Bortles actually had a good INT% when you take away some of the unlucky tipped picks , but you should also consider how often he was saved lucky drops too...as I said , all in all it balances out to Bortles still being too careless with the ball.

 

The dropped interceptions aren't good luck until you can prove it happened to him more than any other quarterback.  Every quarterback has dropped interceptions.  Not every quarterback has a third of the league's tipped picks.

 

This is like saying FreeAgent01 hit the Powerball 3 times in a row, but you can't say he's lucky because he didn't win the Powerball before that.

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I just wanna know. ..damn...can football start already or what?

I'm just dying for some jags football.

And yeah...I think he can reduce his turnovers

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I've seen this posted many times without proof, and it's not how I remember the season going.


Every QB has defenders drop passes sometimes, most QBs don't have a significant number of interceptions from throws that hit their own receiver on the hands that I can recall.

The only game I can remember that had a lot of dropped INTs, is the game vs the Chiefs. Bortles had 1 INT in that game, but he could of very easily had 4 INTs in that game. I specifically remember that game having a lot of dropped INTs, but that's the only game that really stood out to me.

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I guess I am missing your point.  Why even point out that he has interceptions dropped then?  Every quarterback in the NFL does.  What is relevant is the fact that he accounts for roughly a third of all tipped interceptions in the NFL and at a rate approximately 8 times greater than other quarterbacks.  Blake didn't have the same amount of tipped interceptions in previous seasons.  He had just one in 2015.  

 

People are going way overboard trying to play the blame game and shoulder Bortles with the whole load.  He actually improved last season in several ways.  The problem is that he needed to cut down on turnovers and not only did they go up, but were more noticeable/impactful in the fact that there were a lot of pick 6's - bad luck or not. 

You're trying to pass off all of the blame on bad luck that should correct itself. NYC is trying to tell you that maybe it wasn't all luck because Blake has worse accuracy, touch, and timing than most other QBs.

 

Like it wasn't purely bad luck that those slants to Marqise were tipped up for INTs. When the ball is delivered late enough that the DB is able to break and hit Lee as the ball arrives, plus the accuracy is bad enough that it's hitting Lee's hands a foot above his head, it's not really that hard to see that bad things could come from that that isn't purely bad luck. 

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Bortles is terrible. Dak is a rookie and is doing things Bortles simply can't do.


Dallas has the best OLine in football. But if we were drafting a QB this year and Bortles vs Prescott was an option, then Prescott would be the pick.


What I mean is Dak was a rookie and Bortles is a veteran and he still don't get it. The Tom House stuff is a joke. "Hey guys sorry I had a rough game, and I still throw like Leftwich"....let me hop on a plane and go see Tom House, and next week, I'll be better"


Plain and simple - Bortles is not a natural passer, and he never will be. When he threw a helicopter pass that hit Robinson and bounced off for an interception, it was over.


It's time to move on and I hope we have a new QB next year. Heck, atleast Gabbert knew how to throw.

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You're trying to pass off all of the blame on bad luck that should correct itself. NYC is trying to tell you that maybe it wasn't all luck because Blake has worse accuracy, touch, and timing than most other QBs.

 

Like it wasn't purely bad luck that those slants to Marqise were tipped up for INTs. When the ball is delivered late enough that the DB is able to break and hit Lee as the ball arrives, plus the accuracy is bad enough that it's hitting Lee's hands a foot above his head, it's not really that hard to see that bad things could come from that that isn't purely bad luck. 

 

No, I'm saying that 8 tipped INTs is an outlier.  He had just one the previous year.  And again, Arob had several of them hit him square in the chest and he handed them to the defenders.  I'm not passing the blame to all bad luck.  I'm saying its not as bad as a very vocal minority of this board and the national media have claimed it to be. 

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Arob had several of them hit him square in the chest and he handed them to the defenders.

This just ain't true. Several? Square in the chest? Nah.


I'm being serious when I say, go watch how the ball comes out of Blake's hand. (Not how he throws)


Listen to the announcers talk about the spin on the ball. It's like he's throwing a wet, 10 pound medicine ball.

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This just ain't true. Several? Square in the chest? Nah.


I'm being serious when I say, go watch how the ball comes out of Blake's hand. (Not how he throws)


Listen to the announcers talk about the spin on the ball. It's like he's throwing a wet, 10 pound medicine ball.

Yep we've debunked the Arob drop myth repeatedly this offseason. Some guys just don't care. 

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Yep we've debunked the Arob drop myth repeatedly this offseason. Some guys just don't care.

It's like they can't accept what our QB is. A guy who struggles throwing the ball, and has to use Tom House as his security blanket.

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@Eric1...with respect: After thinking it over, I still can't answer your question but I know Grant rushed for over 100 yards against Indy. And we had the same guys at offensive line that Ivory and Yeldon had blocking for them.

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