Out of all those talked about being selected by us at 4 none would disappoint me more than Fournette.


There are numerous other options that would be better, smarter and present greater value.

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Out of all those talked about being selected by us at 4 none would disappoint me more than Fournette.


There are numerous other options that would be better, smarter and present greater value.

^THIS

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You need to watch this also.


https://youtu.be/27ortq29_UU


Personally I am all about us getting back to our jags style and having a killer (gotta love the filters johnny dont curse) RB again.

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He just confirmed the concerns we have about how he will translate to the NFL. Bad out of shotgun, doesn't make the right reads, need a fullback to show him where to go, needs big holes and momentum to punish the second and third levels. 

 

Like he literally within 10 seconds of saying consistent top 5 pick team cough cough Jaguars he mentions that he won't work well out of a shotgun scheme and if your team runs a shotgun offense you should go Dalvin Cook. Well guess what type of offense Bortles has only ever played in...

 

"As long as Fournette is able to freely hit that hole with a lead blocker and his mind clear where he doesn't have to think too much while reading the line of scrimmage and second guessing himself or his lead blocker..." Yeah man, how could anyone question why that might not be the best player to take top 5...

You watched that video and your takeaway from it was only the few negatives in his game. Leave it to you to point out the only cloud in the sky. 

 

Maybe this is the year we throw that shotgun crap in the dustbin cause it hasn't been working. Blake can do a 3 step drop or we can get a QB who can. I never could have imagined someone so tied to not upsetting an apple cart full of rotten fruit. Good Grief. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

You need to watch this also.

https://youtu.be/27ortq29_UU


Personally I am all about us getting back to our jags style and having a killer (gotta love the filters johnny dont curse) RB again.

that's the one i already linked

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

My bad didnt see it.

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You watched that video and your takeaway from it was only the few negatives in his game. Leave it to you to point out the only cloud in the sky. 

 

Maybe this is the year we throw that shotgun crap in the dustbin cause it hasn't been working. Blake can do a 3 step drop or we can get a QB who can. I never could have imagined someone so tied to not upsetting an apple cart full of rotten fruit. Good Grief. 

It was more than a few negatives. He essentially said if you put Fournette behind a line that can open wide holes and a lead blocker that can allow him to hit that hole without having to think or make any of his own decisions then he'll be dominant. Well guess how many other running backs could do that...like all of them? 

 

He also mentioned how he was raw but willing in the blocking and passing game, which I agree with, but then made the leap that he'll be elite in both which is faaaar from a guarantee. 

 

The entire NFL is trending toward base shotgun. The answer isn't to fly in the face of the way the game has evolved over the course of the past decade plus. Especially not because you're doing it because the RB you took top 5 has to do it that way to succeed. 

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It was more than a few negatives. He essentially said if you put Fournette behind a line that can open wide holes and a lead blocker that can allow him to hit that hole without having to think or make any of his own decisions then he'll be dominant. Well guess how many other running backs could do that...like all of them? 

 

He also mentioned how he was raw but willing in the blocking and passing game, which I agree with, but then made the leap that he'll be elite in both which is faaaar from a guarantee. 

 

The entire NFL is trending toward base shotgun. The answer isn't to fly in the face of the way the game has evolved over the course of the past decade plus. Especially not because you're doing it because the RB you took top 5 has to do it that way to succeed. 

Things come and go in cycles. We've been on this shotgun craze for 10 years +, it isn't the future anymore. The Jags have tried this shotgun every snap too and it has been a total failure. I don't see any value in defending what hasn't been working. If everyone else is doing it, then it is expected. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

McCaffrey is better...

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Things come and go in cycles. We've been on this shotgun craze for 10 years +, it isn't the future anymore. The Jags have tried this shotgun every snap too and it has been a total failure. I don't see any value in defending what hasn't been working. If everyone else is doing it, then it is expected. 

Again, the answer isn't blow everything up and fly in the face of how the NFL is trending because you want a top 5 RB that probably won't be effective in the modern style. The answer should be try to get players that will complement what Bortles and the entire rest of the NFL is doing, and if that still doesn't work then we need a new QB. 

 

Read this 3 tweet observation from Justis if you want proof. 32 year old injured Danny Woodhead got one of the only two long term FA RB deals and he got it quick. 31 year old best RB of this generation but can't play out of shotgun Adrian Peterson is still unemployed. 

 

https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/846125213590814720

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Again, the answer isn't blow everything up and fly in the face of how the NFL is trending because you want a top 5 RB that probably won't be effective in the modern style. The answer should be try to get players that will complement what Bortles and the entire rest of the NFL is doing, and if that still doesn't work then we need a new QB. 

 

Read this 3 tweet observation from Justis if you want proof. 32 year old injured Danny Woodhead got one of the only two long term FA RB deals and he got it quick. 31 year old best RB of this generation but can't play out of shotgun Adrian Peterson is still unemployed. 

 

https://twitter.com/JuMosq/status/846125213590814720

If he "probably won't be effective" why is he high on every draft board? Why have they been calling him a transcendent talent for years? You're trying to sell me on the idea that you see something that nobody else of any credibility is seeing. I see some of the flaws you do but you are letting that be the entire center of your evaluation. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

If he "probably won't be effective" why is he high on every draft board? Why have they been calling him a transcendent talent for years? You're trying to sell me on the idea that you see something that nobody else of any credibility is seeing. I see some of the flaws you do but you are letting that be the entire center of your evaluation. 

I should have said "probably won't be AS effective" since people will harp on that instead of the overall point. 

 

It's not hard to find guys that have McCaffrey or Mixon or both higher. A ton of "Mixon is the most talented RB in this class" especially. I think with Foreman's looking very impressive today you're going to start seeing quite a bit of "why would you take Fournette early in the 1st when you could have a stylistically similar and athletically superior Foreman on day 2" soon too.

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I should have said "probably won't be AS effective" since people will harp on that instead of the overall point. 

 

It's not hard to find guys that have McCaffrey or Mixon or both higher. A ton of "Mixon is the most talented RB in this class" especially. I think with Foreman's looking very impressive today you're going to start seeing quite a bit of "why would you take Fournette early in the 1st when you could have a stylistically similar and athletically superior Foreman on day 2" soon too.

I wasn't talking about Cook or Mixon. I've seen a few people that like one or the other more, sure. But that's changing the topic. Why is Fournette mostly uniformly taken as the first RB? Why is it that all these experts that see the talent are wrong and he's just a one trick pony?

 

I like Foreman but I am skeptical of players that rise quickly due to workouts. He played at 250 and ran his 40 at 230, is there a weight issue there? Why does he go down so easily for such a big back? He's playing against the Big-12. Nobody can stop the run there. I keep seeing him in Round 1. I like him but i still see a gap between him and Fournette. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

I wasn't talking about Cook or Mixon. I've seen a few people that like one or the other more, sure. But that's changing the topic. Why is Fournette mostly uniformly taken as the first RB? Why is it that all these experts that see the talent are wrong and he's just a one trick pony?


I like Foreman but I am skeptical of players that rise quickly due to workouts. He played at 250 and ran his 40 at 230, is there a weight issue there? Why does he go down so easily for such a big back? He's playing against the Big-12. Nobody can stop the run there. I keep seeing him in Round 1. I like him but i still see a gap between him and Fournette.

I wouldn't say he's rising due to workouts. Before the combine he was a guy viewed and mocked as a potential 1st rounder.


His combo of size, speed, and production puts him in that conversation at least amongst mock drafters all across the internet. Him to the Giants was a pick I saw made a few times. After his stress fracture in his foot was revealed at the combine and mock drafters (over)reacted to some performances he fell out of a lot of first round mocks.

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I wouldn't say he's rising due to workouts. Before the combine he was a guy viewed and mocked as a potential 1st rounder.


His combo of size, speed, and production puts him in that conversation at least amongst mock drafters all across the internet. Him to the Giants was a pick I saw made a few times. After his stress fracture in his foot was revealed at the combine and mock drafters (over)reacted to some performances he fell out of a lot of first round mocks.

That's fair, but you know that 40 time this week has people pretty excited. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

That's fair, but you know that 40 time this week has people pretty excited.

True. Foreman has been rumored to run in the 4.4s prior to this, he said prior to this pro day that he only got his scholarship at Texas by running 4.4.

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I should have said "probably won't be AS effective" since people will harp on that instead of the overall point. 

 

It's not hard to find guys that have McCaffrey or Mixon or both higher. A ton of "Mixon is the most talented RB in this class" especially. I think with Foreman's looking very impressive today you're going to start seeing quite a bit of "why would you take Fournette early in the 1st when you could have a stylistically similar and athletically superior Foreman on day 2" soon too.

 

 

Huh? Haven't I been saying this for months? 

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Huh? Haven't I been saying this for months? 

Nah it was someone else. I don't recall you repeatedly beating the drum for Foreman at all.

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You watched that video and your takeaway from it was only the few negatives in his game. Leave it to you to point out the only cloud in the sky. 

 

Maybe this is the year we throw that shotgun crap in the dustbin cause it hasn't been working. Blake can do a 3 step drop or we can get a QB who can. I never could have imagined someone so tied to not upsetting an apple cart full of rotten fruit. Good Grief. 

 

It's not a matter of taking the "few negatives" in his game. It's taking that negative and trying to discern how that would affect him in the NFL. For me, and many others, taking a RB who you'll need to build around a FB blocking for him is just not someone you want taking with a #4 pick.

 

You can find those guys later in the draft, albeit with less explosiveness than LF.

 

Injuries/off-field issues aside, if I have to take a RB at #4, I can live with Cook's weakness (just adequate power) over LF's at 4. If we had Dallas' OLine to clear holes for LF? Maybe different discussion. But we don't.

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There's a few guys I want above Fournette, but I'd be totally fine with him at 4.  I don't see the argument of "Well you have to have an elite O-line or you don't draft him".  Firstly, LSU did not have a dominant offense and because of horrible QB play, everyone and their mom keyed in on Fournette and he still had big games.  Yes, ideally you'd probably want him in an I formation or some type of formation that gives him more room, but he's a rookie also (well technically not even that) and you're hoping his vision and instincts improve also to where he can do just as well in a shotgun.

 

And unless Miss Cleo is posting in here, no one knows how good of a unit we're going to have this year or the next.  For all we know, Albert stays healthy and is a great LT, we draft a rookie guard who is a stud, and maybe get another guy next year and all of a sudden our O-line is dominant.  Oakland was a pretty good example of this.  Their line was garbage and they made a couple moves and signed a "backup-quality" LT (Penn) and all of a sudden they had a great O-line.

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