Really over this topic as a fan. Blake's been given a fair shake and deal by comparison to the rest of the NFL and how QB's are treated when on the bubble earlier on in their careers. 2017 is the year he either sinks or swims as a franchise QB. You can't say this front office didn't give him a chance. Blake's situation is nearly due to sheer luck. 

 

This off-season was a bummer for QB prospects. The free agency market was saturated with lack of experience, washed up talent or guys you'd have to over pay for. The QB class in the draft also did him some huge favors.

 

There wasn't a consensus number one overall, clear cut, above the shoulders QB in this class at all. Trubisky with 13 starts? Mahomes with his learning curve and needing to adjust to playing undercenter? Watson with questionable measurable's, arm velocity and decision making? 

 

This class and off-season SUCKED. Probably one of the worst to come around in years. At least since 2011. So, what did our front office do? They go out and add the top CB, top DL and one of the top SS's available in free agency to a defense that finished strongly with a lot of youth on it.

 

They go out and bring back the FB position, trade for a veteran LT, sign another TE and some more lineman. Draft the best RB and OT in the class. Add another speedy target on the outside at WR. They added more speed to our special teams and defense on the depth chart. And didn't even bother bringing in any additional competition at QB because it wasn't there to begin with this off season to address it. 

 

That's about as good as it can get endorsement wise for Blake. Get it done. Or get to steppin'. 

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Really over this topic as a fan. Blake's been given a fair shake and deal by comparison to the rest of the NFL and how QB's are treated when on the bubble earlier on in their careers. 2017 is the year he either sinks or swims as a franchise QB. You can't say this front office didn't give him a chance. Blake's situation is nearly due to sheer luck. 

 

This off-season was a bummer for QB prospects. The free agency market was saturated with lack of experience, washed up talent or guys you'd have to over pay for. The QB class in the draft also did him some huge favors.

 

There wasn't a consensus number one overall, clear cut, above the shoulders QB in this class at all. Trubisky with 13 starts? Mahomes with his learning curve and needing to adjust to playing undercenter? Watson with questionable measurable's, arm velocity and decision making? 

 

This class and off-season SUCKED. Probably one of the worst to come around in years. At least since 2011. So, what did our front office do? They go out and add the top CB, top DL and one of the top SS's available in free agency to a defense that finished strongly with a lot of youth on it.

 

They go out and bring back the FB position, trade for a veteran LT, sign another TE and some more lineman. Draft the best RB and OT in the class. Add another speedy target on the outside at WR. They added more speed to our special teams and defense on the depth chart. And didn't even bother bringing in any additional competition at QB because it wasn't there to begin with this off season to address it. 

 

That's about as good as it can get endorsement wise for Blake. Get it done. Or get to steppin'.

I can't agree more and I'm one of Blake's biggest fans.

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The stats are comparable.  But its the intangibles where Eli and Big Ben have proven to win big games and perform at big moments.  I think Bortles still needs some experience in that regard.  

 

That only works when you have a good coaching staff as well as a good running game, something both the Giants and the Steelers had....and something the Jaguars didn't have.

 

Fans really have to starting getting away from putting a team's record directly on the QB. If that were the case, then you could say that Brock Oswieler is better than Blake Bortles - which everyone knows isn't anywhere close to being true.

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That only works when you have a good coaching staff as well as a good running game, something both the Giants and the Steelers had....and something the Jaguars didn't have.

 

Fans really have to starting getting away from putting a team's record directly on the QB. If that were the case, then you could say that Brock Oswieler is better than Blake Bortles - which everyone knows isn't anywhere close to being true.

 

 

Last year you almost have to blame Blake for the record, but not their 2015 record. 2015 was strictly on the defense. 2014 was a little of both.

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None.  The guy has yes to go 8-8 so comparable to no one.  Because blake is not yet a franchise qb.  Not even close.  And Brunell in his prime now.  Would make Bortles look like chicken feed. 

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Last year you almost have to blame Blake for the record, but not their 2015 record. 2015 was strictly on the defense. 2014 was a little of both.

 

I'm not sure I follow your logic. The head coach was all time bad, the RBs had the most fumbles in the NFL, the special teams repeatedly turned the ball over in critical situations, the defense repeatedly failed to hold a lead, or manage to get off the field at the ends of games where a comeback was within reach. (the absolutely insane Marks offsides against the Lions sticks out in my mind in a major way)

 

To lay the blame exclusively at the feet of Bortles seems a bit off to me. I'd say that in 2016 Bortles was a contributor to a team that disappointed in the kind of way that the Jaguars hadn't disappointed since 2008.

 

Even blaming Bortles for throwing 16INTs is a bit off when a number of those much higher than should be expected were due to WRs bouncing balls into waiting defenders' hands.

 

All of that said I think what we can say about Bortles in 2016 is he wasn't good enough to raise up everyone around him that was failing in a major way. Whether that means that a 24 year old Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (the guy that threw 6 pick sixes in 2001) could have made it work in spite of all of the incredible amount of fail around them is something we'll never know, but I can say that we've never seen Tom Brady on a team that bad with a coaching staff that bad, and in 2001 Manning got his coach fired.

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I'm not sure I follow your logic. The head coach was all time bad, the RBs had the most fumbles in the NFL, the special teams repeatedly turned the ball over in critical situations, the defense repeatedly failed to hold a lead, or manage to get off the field at the ends of games where a comeback was within reach. (the absolutely insane Marks offsides against the Lions sticks out in my mind in a major way)


To lay the blame exclusively at the feet of Bortles seems a bit off to me. I'd say that in 2016 Bortles was a contributor to a team that disappointed in the kind of way that the Jaguars hadn't disappointed since 2008.


Even blaming Bortles for throwing 16INTs is a bit off when a number of those much higher than should be expected were due to WRs bouncing balls into waiting defenders' hands.


All of that said I think what we can say about Bortles in 2016 is he wasn't good enough to raise up everyone around him that was failing in a major way. Whether that means that a 24 year old Tom Brady or Peyton Manning (the guy that threw 6 pick sixes in 2001) could have made it work in spite of all of the incredible amount of fail around them is something we'll never know, but I can say that we've never seen Tom Brady on a team that bad with a coaching staff that bad, and in 2001 Manning got his coach fired.

My man, you can't say that because that's speaking the truth and some people on here don't want to hear the truth when it comes to Blake Bortles. They just want to hear about lies and rumors the only thing that's acceptable to them and their narrative towards him. It's not a coincidence that Tom Coughlin brought competition to every position except for quarterback because he believe the same thing that you wrote on your post. Good job on analyzing everything about last season.

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My man, you can't say that because that's speaking the truth and some people on here don't want to hear the truth when it comes to Blake Bortles. They just want to hear about lies and rumors the only thing that's acceptable to them and their narrative towards him. It's not a coincidence that Tom Coughlin Pro competition to every position except for quarterback because he believe the same thing that you wrote on your post. Good job on analyzing everything about last season.

 

Thank you. It's because of the current confusion we're experiencing that I thought it would be a good idea to fire Gus after 2014, and really badly wanted him fired after 2015. When you clearly have a coach which isn't developing players or gameplanning you make it really hard to judge your team's talent acquisition, and that's where we're at right now. The team just canned the worst head coach of all time and has a situation on its hands where it can't tell what it has in a lot of player groups years into their careers.

 

Under Gus the team never moved forward together. When he was handed exceptionally good players at certain things those players would excel in isolation, but it was never manifested into team success. Good examples are Bortles, Telvin, and Allen Robinson in 2015, and Jalen Ramsey in 2016. Those players excelled in an island so to speak, with Telvin making a lot of big impact stops in the run game, Allen getting a lot of long passes and TDs, and Ramsey locking down every team's best WR, but there was never any gameplanning around the team's strengths, or toward defeating other teams' strengths, so great individual efforts in seasons went utterly wasted.

 

The Jaguars repeatedly allowed teams to convert long 3rd downs after guys like Telvin and Ramsey made teams face long 3rd downs, and the defense and lack of run game let teams repeatedly come back when Bortles and the offense did well enough in 4th quarters to win games.

 

Will Bortles continue to ascend and become a real top tier type of QB? And I mean of the Rodgers/Brady/Brees type, not the lesser, but highly thought of Roethlisberger type, who for some reason hasn't been lambasted for throwing as many or more INTERCEPTIONS as Bortles has. (16 interceptions in 12 games 2015, 13 interceptions in 14 games 2016)

 

We'll just have to wait and see, but the first returns under a head coach that was actually game planning were promising.

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Thank you. It's because of the current confusion we're experiencing that I thought it would be a good idea to fire Gus after 2014, and really badly wanted him fired after 2015. When you clearly have a coach which isn't developing players or gameplanning you make it really hard to judge your team's talent acquisition, and that's where we're at right now. The team just canned the worst head coach of all time and has a situation on its hands where it can't tell what it has in a lot of player groups years into their careers.

 

Under Gus the team never moved forward together. When he was handed exceptionally good players at certain things those players would excel in isolation, but it was never manifested into team success. Good examples are Bortles, Telvin, and Allen Robinson in 2015, and Jalen Ramsey in 2016. Those players excelled in an island so to speak, with Telvin making a lot of big impact stops in the run game, Allen getting a lot of long passes and TDs, and Ramsey locking down every team's best WR, but there was never any gameplanning around the team's strengths, or toward defeating other teams' strengths, so great individual efforts in seasons went utterly wasted.

 

The Jaguars repeatedly allowed teams to convert long 3rd downs after guys like Telvin and Ramsey made teams face long 3rd downs, and the defense and lack of run game let teams repeatedly come back when Bortles and the offense did well enough in 4th quarters to win games.

 

Will Bortles continue to ascend and become a real top tier type of QB? And I mean of the Rodgers/Brady/Brees type, not the lesser, but highly thought of Roethlisberger type, who for some reason hasn't been lambasted for throwing as many or more INTERCEPTIONS as Bortles has. (16 interceptions in 12 games 2015, 13 interceptions in 14 games 2016)

 

We'll just have to wait and see, but the first returns under a head coach that was actually game planning were promising.

I so agree with everything you just said and I hope the parole get the best out of this staff.

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I'll remember this thread in the fall when Blake is winding up his catapult arm and wobbling pick 6s every week.

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Blake Bortles......YOU'RE FIRED!
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I'll remember this thread in the fall when Blake is winding up his catapult arm and wobbling pick 6s every week.

Please stop being a jerk and I seen your Twitter picture and there's nothing tough about you.

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Please stop being a jerk and I seen your Twitter picture and there's nothing tough about you.

I don't have a twitter, clown.

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Given how much everyone in the media is so down on Blake Bortles and his horrific 3rd season, I thought it might be interesting to compare Bortles with Roethlisberger and Eli Manning in their 3rd seasons in the league.

 

First, let's look at Blake Bortles and his 2016 stats: 

 

58.9% Completion Percentage

368 completions out of 625 Attempts (Note 625 Attempts)

3905 Yards Passing - 6.28 YPA

23 TDs with 16 INTs

78.8 QBR

 

Blake regressed from his 2015 season stats:

 

58.6% Completion Percentage

355 completions out of 606 Atempts

4428 Yards Passing - 7.31 YPA

35 TDs with 18 INTs

88.2 QBR

 

 

Now compare this with Eli Manning (winner of TWO Super Bowls)

 

in his 3rd season in the league, Eli Manning put up these stats:

 

57.7% Completion Percentage

301 Completions out of 522 Attempts (almost 100 attempts less than Blake in 2016)

3244 Passing Yards  - 6.21 YPA

24 TDs with 18 INTs

77 QBR

 

In his 4th season in the league, Eli Manning put up these stats:

 

56.1 % Completion Percentage

297 Completions out of 529 Attempts

3336 Passing Yards - 6.31 YPA

23 TDs with 20 Ints

73.9 QBR

 

NOTE: The MAXIMUM Number of Pass Attempts in his CAREER has been 618 in 2015, which is less than Blake in 2016

 

Does Blake look any worse than Eli at this stage in his development - based purely on stats and not on specific bone headed Pick 6 plays?

 

Now let's look at Ben Roethlisberger (Winner of TWO Super bowls) in his 3rd season: (2006)

 

59.7% Completion Percentage

280 Completions out of 469 Attempts

3513 Passing Yards - 7.49 YPA

18 TDs - 23 Ints

75.4 QBR

 

In 2007, Big Ben started to come into his own

 

65.3% Completion Percentage

264 Completions out of 404 Attempts

3154 Passing Yards - 7.81 YPA

32 TDs with 11 Ints

104.1 QBR

 

The MAXIMUM number of Pass Attempts in his Career has been 608 in 2014, which is comparable to Blake's 2015 season

 

CONCLUSIONS:

 

Other than some bone headed plays that young QBs will do, Blake is reasonably comparable to Eli Manning at this stage in his career and not far behind Ben Roethlisberger, both of whom WON TWO Super Bowls.

 

Blake is throwing TOO MANY PASS ATTEMPTS, suggesting that if he had a ground game to compliment his passing game, he might be able to perform a little better.

 

SO, based upon this information, is it really prudent to THROW OUT THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER just because Bortles had a BAD (REALLY, REALLY BAD) 3rd season in the league.

 

Clearly, Blake is the FIRST and ONLY QB to ever have a REALLY REALLY BAD 3rd Season and therefore it is TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for him to ever potentially lead the Jags to a winning season, much less an appearance in a Super Bowl.

 

OR IS IT?

 

Eli was trash his first handful of years in the league.  Eli has also always been the biggest waste of pure raw talent in an NFL QB.  His raw talent and potential was higher than Peyton's.  However, Eli's drive and determination have more or less been relatively pathetic.  Coughlin was the right guy to squeeze enough out of Eli to win a couple Super Bowls.  This is not a very good comparison.

 

All stats aside, my question is "Is Blake a winner?"  I haven't seen that out of him yet.

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I'll remember this thread in the fall when Blake is winding up his catapult arm and wobbling pick 6s every week.

I don't think anyone is saying Bortles is going to take the same path as Eli just pointing out the similarities to the start of the NFL career. Bortles still has to do the work to improve which he hasn't shown he can do.


On another note, after all the SQL errors

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Anybody remember the pitcher from the Dodgers...Nomo?

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Will Bortles continue to ascend and become a real top tier type of QB? And I mean of the Rodgers/Brady/Brees type, not the lesser, but highly thought of Roethlisberger type, who for some reason hasn't been lambasted for throwing as many or more INTERCEPTIONS as Bortles has. (16 interceptions in 12 games 2015, 13 interceptions in 14 games 2016)

 

 

We don't need Bortles to be Rodgers/Brady/Brees. Bortles as the next Roethlisberger will do just fine even if the INTs keep up because Big Ben consistently makes up for his INTs.

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I don't think anyone is saying Bortles is going to take the same path as Eli just pointing out the similarities to the start of the NFL career. Bortles still has to do the work to improve which he hasn't shown he can do.

 

 

For the record, I've long been convinced that Blake is flat a better qb than Eli despite Eli's two rings.

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For the record, I've long been convinced that Blake is flat a better qb than Eli despite Eli's two rings.

 

What has he done to show he's better than Eli? 

 

Or are you saying you think he will eventually be better than Eli? 

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What has he done to show he's better than Eli? 

 

Or are you saying you think he will eventually be better than Eli? 

 

 

Eli has been going through his own struggles the past few years. At least in 2015 when Blake was slinging passes downfield, he was flat out at that time the better passer.

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Eli has been going through his own struggles the past few years. At least in 2015 when Blake was slinging passes downfield, he was flat out at that time the better passer.

That doesn't answer the question. 

 

Saying "Blake played better in this 6 game stretch than Eli did at a different 6 game stretch" doesn't justify saying he's the better QB. 

 

I like Bortles and hope he realizes his potential to be as good or better than Eli Manning.  But he hasn't shown that yet.  

His decision making, ability to go through his progressions, and his ability to read opposing defenses is lacking pretty sorely when compared to Eli Manning. 

 

Despite Manning's accuracy issues in recent stretches he does in fact have 5 seasons recorded in which he threw for a completion rate of over 62%.

Bortles has never crossed 59%.  This is the most glaring difference to me. 

 

Eli is smarter and more accurate. I have hope for Blake though. 

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