Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

In a perfect world that would work...

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Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

How about old people? What about the fatties?

As long as they like Game of Thrones, they should be allowed to enlist.

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Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

In a perfect world that would work...

Seems to me that the problem in this world, in this situation, lies more with the people who want to exclude rather than the people who want to be included.

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In a perfect world that would work...

Seems to me that the problem in this world, in this situation, lies more with the people who want to exclude rather than the people who want to be included.

ever make the realization that your parents have a different belief in the way the world works than you do? Every parent in the history of the world thinks their kids generation is stupid and every kid thinks their parents are stupid...Look at how much society has changed since the 1950's...or even just from the 90's...society is becoming more acceptable of things than they ever have before...30 years ago gays would get the [BLEEP] beat out of them and no one cared...no one would listen...the cops would say well then dont be gay and this wont happen...

What I'm getting at is that people change very slowly, every new generation becomes more accepting of things the previous generation would not accept and it takes a long time...It took a very long time before white people and black people could crap in the same toilet, drink out of the same water fountain, go to the same schools and what not... There were people screaming for change, but again, it was the younger generation, and only when they came into their own did they make things change...This is whats happening now...

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Seems to me that the problem in this world, in this situation, lies more with the people who want to exclude rather than the people who want to be included.

ever make the realization that your parents have a different belief in the way the world works than you do? Every parent in the history of the world thinks their kids generation is stupid and every kid thinks their parents are stupid...Look at how much society has changed since the 1950's...or even just from the 90's...society is becoming more acceptable of things than they ever have before...30 years ago gays would get the [BLEEP] beat out of them and no one cared...no one would listen...the cops would say well then dont be gay and this wont happen...

What I'm getting at is that people change very slowly, every new generation becomes more accepting of things the previous generation would not accept and it takes a long time...It took a very long time before white people and black people could crap in the same toilet, drink out of the same water fountain, go to the same schools and what not... There were people screaming for change, but again, it was the younger generation, and only when they came into their own did they make things change...This is whats happening now...

I know. I'm making reference here to the fact that it strikes me as insane that someone who is willing to lay their life down for their country is being told that they aren't good enough to do so.

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Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

Amen. How many of these self-righteous, uninformed bigots who support this are willing to put their lives on the line for our country.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

I still don't know the difference between transgender and transsexual.

It's really not important, but the reality is the terms aren't even used consistently by those considering themselves one or the other.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Hey look over there ...

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In a perfect world that would work...

Seems to me that the problem in this world, in this situation, lies more with the people who want to exclude rather than the people who want to be included.

Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

Amen. How many of these self-righteous, uninformed bigots who support this are willing to put their lives on the line for our country.

Not sure if this is aimed at me but I already did...US Navy 88-93 oh and Im not a bigot...Im simply saying the military's infrastructure isnt ready for trannys...They barely have the capacity to put straight men and women on Navy ships and women who serve in combat roles who are deployed in the other branches

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ever make the realization that your parents have a different belief in the way the world works than you do? Every parent in the history of the world thinks their kids generation is stupid and every kid thinks their parents are stupid...Look at how much society has changed since the 1950's...or even just from the 90's...society is becoming more acceptable of things than they ever have before...30 years ago gays would get the [BLEEP] beat out of them and no one cared...no one would listen...the cops would say well then dont be gay and this wont happen...

What I'm getting at is that people change very slowly, every new generation becomes more accepting of things the previous generation would not accept and it takes a long time...It took a very long time before white people and black people could crap in the same toilet, drink out of the same water fountain, go to the same schools and what not... There were people screaming for change, but again, it was the younger generation, and only when they came into their own did they make things change...This is whats happening now...

I know. I'm making reference here to the fact that it strikes me as insane that someone who is willing to lay their life down for their country is being told that they aren't good enough to do so.

I dont think that its because they arent good enough, I just dont think the military is ready to be that liberal...It's very hard to change things in the military...The military is built on honor and tradition...It's incredibly hard to get new ideas and standards implemented...It has taken many decades to get women on combat ships and some still oppose it...Now we have women serving in combat roles who deploy with the men...That has been hotly contested and the fight still rages on...

I dont think the military knows how to deal with the trannys and how to house them aboard Navy ships and deployments in the other branches...

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Seems to me that the problem in this world, in this situation, lies more with the people who want to exclude rather than the people who want to be included.

Amen. How many of these self-righteous, uninformed bigots who support this are willing to put their lives on the line for our country.

Not sure if this is aimed at me but I already did...US Navy 88-93 oh and Im not a bigot...Im simply saying the military's infrastructure isnt ready for trannys...They barely have the capacity to put straight men and women on Navy ships and women who serve in combat roles who are deployed in the other branches

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It wasn't aimed at you at all, your responses make sense. However, f the military isn't ready for "trannies", too bad. Get ready, human rights shouldn't wait on attitudes. The military can break new ground.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Not sure if this is aimed at me but I already did...US Navy 88-93 oh and Im not a bigot...Im simply saying the military's infrastructure isnt ready for trannys...They barely have the capacity to put straight men and women on Navy ships and women who serve in combat roles who are deployed in the other branches

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It wasn't aimed at you at all, your responses make sense. However, f the military isn't ready for "trannies", too bad. Get ready, human rights shouldn't wait on attitudes. The military can break new ground.

The top brass of the military is made up of men who have been nothing more than soldiers sailors and airmen their entire life...They have been in so long it's nearly identical to being institutionalized much like people who have spent many years in prison...They resist change, and since they are the biggest dogs in the yard, their wants and wishes prevail for the most part...Generally speaking, the military pretty much polices itself as they really have no singular top boss...I realize the POTUS is the commander and chief, but even he will listen and generally follow the recommendations of the top brass...Oh and I use the word "trannys" because I'm too lazy to type out the full and proper name...No disrespect intended

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The military has long excluded the willing due to physical and mental insufficiency. Transgenderds are by definition insufficient because of their clearly expressed mental disorder. This isn't complicated at all and it isn't wrong to say so.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I saw some lunatic democratic congressmen on Tucker earlier comparing a military woman having a baby to a transgender having a sex change on the tax payers dime.

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Man....who cares?

If you're male, female, black, white, purple, gay, transgender or whatever: if you want to put your life on the line and defend this country, you should be able to do it.

Amen. How many of these self-righteous, uninformed bigots who support this are willing to put their lives on the line for our country.

Welllll...

Here's the thing... I don't care who serves in the military, that is their choice and not their right. DC can dress this up however they want, but it's about money and also just reversing what Obama had done on his way out the door.

Remember Daniel Manning, now Chelsea Manning. Sex change operation on tax payers bill.
Not cool.
So I'm good with this move by the POTUS. We the tax payers shouldn't foot the bill for operations such as these, covered under Military insurance. We shouldn't have to cover the costs of hormonal treatment or whatever.

Also.. I chose NOT to enlist because I know what wars are actually fought for. And it isn't freedom.
Hint: Oil, gas pipelines, regime changes, world powers, money.....
No war since the civil war has really been remotely about about the freedom of the United States people and citizens...

And before anyone throws out the statistic that the military spends more on Viagra than sex changes... I don't think I should have to foot that bill either.
I'm against wasteful or unnecessary spending by the government in any and all forms.
Especially things like abortions (funding of planned parenthood) and sex changes.

The numbers of transgender people in the military varies depending on what source you want to believe.
Something between 6k and 15k, out of over 2 mil +
Small slice of the pie... if they want to "serve" so badly... McDonald's is probably hiring.

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I saw some lunatic democratic congressmen on Tucker earlier comparing a military woman having a baby to a transgender having a sex change on the tax payers dime.

We shouldn't have to pay for that either.
Having a baby is a choice. Not really some right that tax payers should foot the bill for.

I only agree with feeding and housing the military on tax payers dimes. (And actual pay)
And not because they are fighting "terrorism" the unwinnable war in the middle east, but because some day we may actually need these guys to fight off the Russians, N Koreans, or Chinese if/when they actually start a war with us that actually effects our homeland.

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I just ran across this in FB...I belong to this group but I cant figure out how to c/p so I will just link to it...

https://www.facebook.com/DysfunctionalVe...=3&theater

This very relevant to this discussion

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I wonder where that 6k transgenders in the military now comes from? So there are 6 thousand service members right now wearing a uniform and formally identified on their ID cards and in their service records as the opposite gender in which they were born? I don't believe it.

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Amen. How many of these self-righteous, uninformed bigots who support this are willing to put their lives on the line for our country.

Welllll...

Here's the thing... I don't care who serves in the military, that is their choice and not their right. DC can dress this up however they want, but it's about money and also just reversing what Obama had done on his way out the door.

Remember Daniel Manning, now Chelsea Manning. Sex change operation on tax payers bill.
Not cool.
So I'm good with this move by the POTUS. We the tax payers shouldn't foot the bill for operations such as these, covered under Military insurance. We shouldn't have to cover the costs of hormonal treatment or whatever.

Also.. I chose NOT to enlist because I know what wars are actually fought for. And it isn't freedom.
Hint: Oil, gas pipelines, regime changes, world powers, money.....
No war since the civil war has really been remotely about about the freedom of the United States people and citizens...

And before anyone throws out the statistic that the military spends more on Viagra than sex changes... I don't think I should have to foot that bill either.
I'm against wasteful or unnecessary spending by the government in any and all forms.
Especially things like abortions (funding of planned parenthood) and sex changes.

The numbers of transgender people in the military varies depending on what source you want to believe.
Something between 6k and 15k, out of over 2 mil +
Small slice of the pie... if they want to "serve" so badly... McDonald's is probably hiring.

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I saw some lunatic democratic congressmen on Tucker earlier comparing a military woman having a baby to a transgender having a sex change on the tax payers dime.

We shouldn't have to pay for that either.
Having a baby is a choice. Not really some right that tax payers should foot the bill for.

I only agree with feeding and housing the military on tax payers dimes. (And actual pay)
And not because they are fighting "terrorism" the unwinnable war in the middle east, but because some day we may actually need these guys to fight off the Russians, N Koreans, or Chinese if/when they actually start a war with us that actually effects our homeland.

The reason we take the fight to them over yonder in their neck of the woods, is so they don't have a chance to come over here to our back yard and attack us like Pearl Harbor

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I wonder where that 6k transgenders in the military now comes from? So there are 6 thousand service members right now wearing a uniform and formally identified on their ID cards and in their service records as the opposite gender in which they were born? I don't believe it.

In my 5 years in the Navy I only ran across one gay man and ZERO transgenders... BUT, that was also about 30 years ago and that could be why

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The problem is that for the most part, being transgender correlates with other serious side issues that the military shouldn't have to deal with.

Here is a link to a pro-tranny document. Check out pages 106 and 112.

http://www.transequality.org/sites/defau...-FINAL.PDF

Roughly 50% of transgender people are suicide risks, compared to less than 5% of the general population (which includes them). At any given moment 40% are experiencing "serious psychological distress." Once again that compares to 5% of the general population.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Welllll...

Here's the thing... I don't care who serves in the military, that is their choice and not their right. DC can dress this up however they want, but it's about money and also just reversing what Obama had done on his way out the door.

Remember Daniel Manning, now Chelsea Manning. Sex change operation on tax payers bill.
Not cool.
So I'm good with this move by the POTUS. We the tax payers shouldn't foot the bill for operations such as these, covered under Military insurance. We shouldn't have to cover the costs of hormonal treatment or whatever.

Also.. I chose NOT to enlist because I know what wars are actually fought for. And it isn't freedom.
Hint: Oil, gas pipelines, regime changes, world powers, money.....
No war since the civil war has really been remotely about about the freedom of the United States people and citizens...

And before anyone throws out the statistic that the military spends more on Viagra than sex changes... I don't think I should have to foot that bill either.
I'm against wasteful or unnecessary spending by the government in any and all forms.
Especially things like abortions (funding of planned parenthood) and sex changes.

The numbers of transgender people in the military varies depending on what source you want to believe.
Something between 6k and 15k, out of over 2 mil +
Small slice of the pie... if they want to "serve" so badly... McDonald's is probably hiring.

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We shouldn't have to pay for that either.
Having a baby is a choice. Not really some right that tax payers should foot the bill for.

I only agree with feeding and housing the military on tax payers dimes. (And actual pay)
And not because they are fighting "terrorism" the unwinnable war in the middle east, but because some day we may actually need these guys to fight off the Russians, N Koreans, or Chinese if/when they actually start a war with us that actually effects our homeland.

The reason we take the fight to them over yonder in their neck of the woods, is so they don't have a chance to come over here to our back yard and attack us like Pearl Harbor

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I wonder where that 6k transgenders in the military now comes from? So there are 6 thousand service members right now wearing a uniform and formally identified on their ID cards and in their service records as the opposite gender in which they were born? I don't believe it.

In my 5 years in the Navy I only ran across one gay man and ZERO transgenders... BUT, that was also about 30 years ago and that could be why

We take the fight over to Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria so that they don't come over here?

Really???!?!?! Really??!!
Even though the islamic terrorists attacks have increased since 9/11?

We take the fight over there cuz that's where the oil fields and gas pipelines are... give me a break...

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I wonder where that 6k transgenders in the military now comes from? So there are 6 thousand service members right now wearing a uniform and formally identified on their ID cards and in their service records as the opposite gender in which they were born? I don't believe it.

I'm pretty sure they include anyone who "identifies" as....

Surgery not required to be trans...
Plus.. the idea is to wait to have the surgery until the military will pay for it.

At a cost of 10k(male to female)-50k(female to male) per transition surgery... not including hormone drugs.

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The reason we take the fight to them over yonder in their neck of the woods, is so they don't have a chance to come over here to our back yard and attack us like Pearl Harbor

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In my 5 years in the Navy I only ran across one gay man and ZERO transgenders... BUT, that was also about 30 years ago and that could be why

We take the fight over to Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria so that they don't come over here?

Really???!?!?! Really??!!
Even though the islamic terrorists attacks have increased since 9/11?

We take the fight over there cuz that's where the oil fields and gas pipelines are... give me a break...

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I wonder where that 6k transgenders in the military now comes from? So there are 6 thousand service members right now wearing a uniform and formally identified on their ID cards and in their service records as the opposite gender in which they were born? I don't believe it.

I'm pretty sure they include anyone who "identifies" as....

Surgery not required to be trans...
Plus.. the idea is to wait to have the surgery until the military will pay for it.

At a cost of 10k(male to female)-50k(female to male) per transition surgery... not including hormone drugs.

when was the last big Islamic terrorist attack in The United States? Not talking about home grown terrorist groups, just actual terrorist attacks from al queda ISIS and the other REAL terrorists...The rest such as the Boston marathon bombing are just punk copycats

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