I'm not defending the driver; neither am I convicting the driver.  I am attempting to gather evidence and facts.  YouTube keeps deleting videos which show the Challenger being attacked before the driver accelerated.  They are suppressing evidence.  I believe under Virginia law it is lawful to flee if your vehicle is being attacked, so the attack on the vehicle is key evidence.

Here is recently posted video of the car "escaping":   http://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1...12126.webm

He was fleeing into a crowd of people 300+ feet away? I don't know if you are serious or trying to make a joke.

The crowd is not 300 feet away.  If someone is clubbing the back of his car, his eyes may have been towards the rear and not looking ahead.  We do have a clear frame showing his brake lights on before he hits the crowd.  So it may be difficult to prove intent. 

The crowd was certainly ready to try, convict, and carry out the death sentence.  Was the girl who died one of the ones trying to kill the driver?

Was James Alex Fields the driver?  NPR has reported the gray Challenger James is standing next to in his Facebook photo was NOT the car used in the crash.  So we have another unsolved mystery.

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The driver of the car is reportedly a diagnosed and medically treated schizophrenic. This doesn't justify the attack in any way, but the whole thing could have been triggered by the heat of the moment attending that rally, and then having people throwing things at his vehicle as he was trying to leave. Again, that doesn't justify anything, but if the reports of his mental health issues are accurate, it could explain some of this.

As far as the picture where he's leaning against a Challenger not being the car, so what? It's possible this was someone else's Challenger, and he simply posed next to it. The car that rammed into that crowd was registered to him. He attended the rally. It's not a stretch to presume he was the driver, as all evidence points to the fact that he was. There's no mystery. No conspiracy there.

Now, if you want to talk conspiracy, one of the "white nationalists" who organized this rally is reportedly a former Occupy Wall Street member, and a staunch supporter of Obama. Occupy Wall Street, like BLM, Antifa, and the bulk of the anarchist movement in this country over the past few years have all received their financial backing from one source, and in the case of BLM and Antifa, you've got paid operatives (paid by George Soros) helping to organize their efforts. It's possible that this guy was a plant who was there to assure some sort of violence occurred. It's not a stretch considering the same Soros funded operations got busted prior to the election for paying "protesters" to show up and disrupt Trump rallies, and if possible, to bait Trump supporters into violent outbursts. So, it's not a stretch to think that this operation didn't suddenly shut down after the election, especially since they've been behind the riots at Berkeley, and during the inauguration.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The driver of the car is reportedly a diagnosed and medically treated schizophrenic.  This doesn't justify the attack in any way, but the whole thing could have been triggered by the heat of the moment attending that rally, and then having people throwing things at his vehicle as he was trying to leave.  Again, that doesn't justify anything, but if the reports of his mental health issues are accurate, it could explain some of this.

As far as the picture where he's leaning against a Challenger not being the car, so what?  It's possible this was someone else's Challenger, and he simply posed next to it.  The car that rammed into that crowd was registered to him. He attended the rally.  It's not a stretch to presume he was the driver, as all evidence points to the fact that he was.  There's no mystery.  No conspiracy there.  

Now, if you want to talk conspiracy, one of the "white nationalists" who organized this rally is reportedly a former Occupy Wall Street member, and a staunch supporter of Obama.  Occupy Wall Street, like BLM, Antifa, and the bulk of the anarchist movement in this country over the past few years have all received their financial backing from one source, and in the case of BLM and Antifa, you've got paid operatives (paid by George Soros) helping to organize their efforts.  It's possible that this guy was a plant who was there to assure some sort of violence occurred.  It's not a stretch considering the same Soros funded operations got busted prior to the election for paying "protesters" to show up and disrupt Trump rallies, and if possible, to bait Trump supporters into violent outbursts.  So, it's not a stretch to think that this operation didn't suddenly shut down after the election, especially since they've been behind the riots at Berkeley, and during the inauguration.

in a nutshell

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*sigh*

Pretty much my thought regarding this issue.

My thought regarding a lot of what's going on these days. I told someone today (after spending an hour on the treadmill at the gym looking at CNN and FOX) it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, things are seriously messed up.

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Pretty much my thought regarding this issue.

My thought regarding a lot of what's going on these days. I told someone today (after spending an hour on the treadmill at the gym looking at CNN and FOX) it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, things are seriously messed up.

What is bad is with the 24/7 media these days (not just the MSM) this stuff gets spread around pretty quickly.  People don't really have a way to discern whether it's "fake news" or real news.

I never thought that I would be alive to see this country melt down and descend into chaos, but it's happening right now.  Me personally, my wife and I are looking to purchase some acreage in the woods.  I just purchased (another) AR-15 to add to my personal "arsenal".  I'm to the point where they will have to come for me and try to remove my rights and my weapons from my dead cold hands.

These people have just gone beyond out of control.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

We already know Virginia Governor Terry Terry McAuliffe is a Clinton stooge.

The rally organizer was a leftist Occupy protester and Obama supporter.

The mayor, Michael Signer is a Virginia Democratic activist with close ties to Barack Obama and John Podesta. Before landing the Charlottesville mayor job he previously worked closely with Podesta at the Center of American Progress and worked with him again on Barack Obama’s State Department Transition Team.

First man on the scene at the crash was Brennan Gilmore, a State Department psy-op specialist. He gave MSNBC the full narrative as if he had written it himself. He also claimed he performed first aid on a woman and saved her life. The State Department scrubbed all mention of him on Sunday. Why would they disown one of the heroes of Charlottesville?

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Adam, we missed you around here. Does this mean all of the french fries in America have been officially fried?

Just saw this. Boy, I sure can't compete with that wit and wisdom. 

But that's what you're know for - that cutting age material. French fries! Where did you come up with that? Did you get that from TMD?

Well, wherever it came from, it's brilliant. A real knee-slapper.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Adam, we missed you around here. Does this mean all of the french fries in America have been officially fried?

Just saw this. Boy, I sure can't compete with that wit and wisdom. 

But that's what you're know for - that cutting age material. French fries! Where did you come up with that? Did you get that from TMD?

Well, wherever it came from, it's brilliant. A real knee-slapper.

I notice you became active pretty late. About the time Applebees closes. Seriously though, kudos for having a job though.

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Just saw this. Boy, I sure can't compete with that wit and wisdom. 

But that's what you're know for - that cutting age material. French fries! Where did you come up with that? Did you get that from TMD?

Well, wherever it came from, it's brilliant. A real knee-slapper.

I notice you became active pretty late. About the time Applebees closes. Seriously though, kudos for having a job though.

Since you are able to be on here pretty much 24/7 I assume you are like all the little Trumps - that you "work" for Daddy. You know, collect a check but don't really do anything.

Is that why they call you Junior?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

I notice you became active pretty late. About the time Applebees closes. Seriously though, kudos for having a job though.

Since you are able to be on here pretty much 24/7 I assume you are like all the little Trumps - that you "work" for Daddy. You know, collect a check but don't really do anything.

Is that why they call you Junior?

Y'all need to get a room. 

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Michael Moore compared people that voted for Trump to rapists this week.  Yes, rapists.  It's open season on insulting the right.  If you don't like what someone has to say or they don't agree with you, they are a racist.  

I now agree with the left back in January, February, and March when they said this country is going to [BLEEP].  They've succeeded in making it a dump.  Instead of worrying about real problems (ie murder, crime, homelessness) we are worrying about statues that nobody cared about a week ago.  The city of Chicago wants statues taken down, all the while the body count continues to climb.

Tell me, what does erasing Stone Mountain do?  It's a piece of art.   The rare few memorializes the people on those horses and their values.  They simply want it removed to prove a point and try to show their muscle.  It's pathetic and again shows nothing in the long run.  It does nothing to make racism go away, in fact its only making people argue more.  It makes people dislike each other more.  So while I hear everyone say how they want peace and everyone to get along, they act completely differently.

It's open season on insulting the right? People are allowed to do that? OMG!

Good thing no one on here has ever insulted the left. Everyone on here has been so respectful and understanding of the left's viewpoint - and when I say left I mean anything left of Louis XIV.

Were you asleep during the Obama years? Did you not read and hear what was said by the Tea party and all kinds of people (including Chief Birther Donald Trump) about this country's first African American president?  

Wow.

Can you remind me where people were calling your whole party rapists or racists?  I see peace as being similar to free speech for your side at this point.  Everyone wants free speech except when they don't believe in it.  Everyone wanted peace except now when they want to spew venom at millions of people and try to make them feel bad for their political beliefs and try to make them into something they aren't.  Truly sad and pathetic.

The sad part is the news media has taken your side, so it's easy for stupid people to believe that its true.  Hillary Clinton has said that a former klansmen was her mentor, but somehow you don't see the mainstream media running with that, do you?

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Pretty much my thought regarding this issue.

My thought regarding a lot of what's going on these days. I told someone today (after spending an hour on the treadmill at the gym looking at CNN and FOX) it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, things are seriously messed up.

Yep, I'm starting to agree with the Hollywood celebrities about wanting to leave the country.

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He was fleeing into a crowd of people 300+ feet away? I don't know if you are serious or trying to make a joke.

The crowd is not 300 feet away.  If someone is clubbing the back of his car, his eyes may have been towards the rear and not looking ahead.  We do have a clear frame showing his brake lights on before he hits the crowd.  So it may be difficult to prove intent. 

The crowd was certainly ready to try, convict, and carry out the death sentence.  Was the girl who died one of the ones trying to kill the driver?

Was James Alex Fields the driver?  NPR has reported the gray Challenger James is standing next to in his Facebook photo was NOT the car used in the crash.  So we have another unsolved mystery.

He turned left onto the street 2 blocks away, drove at speed through a pedestrian mall, then drove into what you are referring to. If he was trying to flee, he wouldn't have turned onto that street. Also, video shows him driving past the group just a couple minutes before the attack, meaning he turned left 3 times just to be on the street. With normal traffic it would take 5 minutes to go from Water & 4th to Market & 4th, he did it in half the time. You really think he was fleeing?

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Reference to fleeing was after his car was attacked. There were no left turns after he was attacked.

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Between the dates of 6-11 August, this report notes, SVR electronic intelligence intercepts noted Brennan Gilmore had numerous meetings and telephonic exchanges with Mayor Michael Signer and a former Obama supporter, and Occupy Wall Street activist, named Jason Kessler—but with Kessler now being described as “a relative newcomer to the white nationalist scene”, and who was the leader of the pro-fascist forces planning to demonstrate in Charlottesville on 12 August.
 

Democratic Party activist turned “white supremacist” Jason Kessler leaving meeting held between him, Brennan Gilmore and Mayor Michael Signer on 11 August 2017

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My thought regarding a lot of what's going on these days. I told someone today (after spending an hour on the treadmill at the gym looking at CNN and FOX) it doesn't matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, things are seriously messed up.

What is bad is with the 24/7 media these days (not just the MSM) this stuff gets spread around pretty quickly.  People don't really have a way to discern whether it's "fake news" or real news.

I never thought that I would be alive to see this country melt down and descend into chaos, but it's happening right now.  Me personally, my wife and I are looking to purchase some acreage in the woods.  I just purchased (another) AR-15 to add to my personal "arsenal".  I'm to the point where they will have to come for me and try to remove my rights and my weapons from my dead cold hands.

These people have just gone beyond out of control.

Not only does it get spread around quickly, it gets sensationalized in a way that supports the political viewpoint of whatever network it is running the story.

I'm looking to build an AR-15 as well while we still can.  I suspect that ultimately this is going to wind up pushing us toward some sort of internal conflict.  One side will definitely be better armed than the other.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Man, you guys are getting caught up in the same hysteria. Chill. This country has seen, and survived, much more turbulent times.

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Reference to fleeing was after his car was attacked.  There were no left turns after he was attacked.

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Between the dates of 6-11 August, this report notes, SVR electronic intelligence intercepts noted Brennan Gilmore had numerous meetings and telephonic exchanges with Mayor Michael Signer and a former Obama supporter, and Occupy Wall Street activist, named Jason Kessler—but with Kessler now being described as “a relative newcomer to the white nationalist scene”, and who was the leader of the pro-fascist forces planning to demonstrate in Charlottesville on 12 August.
 

Democratic Party activist turned “white supremacist” Jason Kessler leaving meeting held between him, Brennan Gilmore and Mayor Michael Signer on 11 August 2017

Relative newcomer means he was only recently inserted into the white nationalists by George Soros in order to do his bidding.  I mentioned it earlier in this thread.  This guy is a total plant, and it really lends credence to the notion that this whole incident was a false flag orchestrated for some end result.  I think someone dying at the rally was kind of like a cherry on top as it provided a martyr.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

It now appears that there was a rehearsal of the car crash, offering strong proof of a staged event. Specifically, the appearance of a multitude of protest signs in a still picture that are not there in the video. It cannot be explained. Also the location and position of the black man with red shoes. In one still shot, he is flying through the air as if hit by the Challenger. In the video, he is on the far side of a parked truck as the Challenger backs up.

A trial run would also explain the 2 cars being different. It would also explain the still shot of the brake lights being on, which does not appear to happen in the video.

The kitty explains it all:

https://youtu.be/f-tL6LXHaO4

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I'm not one to normally buy into false flags and all that, but it's hard to explain how a Democrat and someone openly supportive for Obama can now be a neo-Nazi. So much so that he wants to hold rallies in the name of white supremacy. Definately seems like someone Soros would be behind.

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Adam2012, and those like him, are still doing what got Trump elected.

Blame the white man for all your problems, and you know what, if you don't agree with him, you're a racist and part of the problem.

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I'm not one to normally buy into false flags and all that, but it's hard to explain how a Democrat and someone openly supportive for Obama can now be a neo-Nazi. So much so that he wants to hold rallies in the name of white supremacy. Definately seems like someone Soros would be behind.

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Adam2012, and those like him, are still doing what got Trump elected.

Blame the white man for all your problems, and you know what, if you don't agree with him, you're a racist and part of the problem.

lol ... some of you on here are so desperate to defend Trump (and the "free speachers"?) that you are trying to convince yourself that Byron is actually making sense.

Now think about that. It's pretty pathetic.

And instead of Soros, substitute Robert Mercer and you'll be closer to making sense.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

I'm not one to normally buy into false flags and all that, but it's hard to explain how a Democrat and someone openly supportive for Obama can now be a neo-Nazi. So much so that he wants to hold rallies in the name of white supremacy. Definately seems like someone Soros would be behind.

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Adam2012, and those like him, are still doing what got Trump elected.

Blame the white man for all your problems, and you know what, if you don't agree with him, you're a racist and part of the problem.

lol ... some of you on here are so desperate to defend Trump (and the "free speachers"?) that you are trying to convince yourself that Byron is actually making sense.

Now think about that. It's pretty pathetic.

And instead of Soros, substitute Robert Mercer and you'll be closer to making sense.

Oh, c'mon

If it's easy to explain away then do it.

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