What's Next? Book Burnings?, Throwing political opponants in the gulag? Re-education Camps? Where does it end?

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What's Next? Book Burnings?, Throwing political opponants in the gulag? Re-education Camps? Where does it end?

With Kenye West as president.

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If slavery is such an issue with so many people, what is being done to combat modern day slavery? It is still present in the American underground. It is still accepted in many muslim countries. How many of these statue protesters are doing something about that? That is the true litmus test of whether this is a genuine issue.

So far, this doesn't pass the eyeball test. It is just another political ploy.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

What's Next? Book Burnings?, Throwing political opponants in the gulag? Re-education Camps? Where does it end?

What we're seeing today is nothing more than "1984" coming to fruition, albeit a few decades later than he had predicted.

First it's the Confederate and founding father's monuments.  Then it moves on to whatever offends them next.  Heck, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written by old white guys who owned slaves, so let's just go ahead and toss that on the ash heap of time and start from scratch with a progressive doctrine of group think.  If you don't agree with the group, you will require reeducation or termination in the event you're simply not open to being indoctrinated.  

Once they've finished in erasing our history from view, and rewriting it in a manner that they deem to be acceptable, they'll move on to the next target, which is clearly religion.  We can't have people worshiping some entity that isn't approved by the group think mentality, so either surrender your beliefs and embrace their viewpoint, or it's off to the camps with you.  The group will tell you who/what your god is, and how you will be permitted to worship.

It's funny because progressives always tell us how they're more inclusive and accepting of others, and how they're the big tent political viewpoint, but the reality is, their identity politics is the reason why they've lost so much electorally over the past decade.  They've forced their views on all of us whether we agree or not by executive order and judicial rulings, bypassing the normal method of adopting laws.  When someone disagrees with their viewpoint, rather than debate the merits of their position, they focus on destroying the opposition by using whatever means necessary, and that does occasionally include violence.  For the most part, up until very recently, the right hasn't really responded to their antagonism equally.  You haven't seen conservatives burning down communities, trashing college campuses, or looting the streets of cities because an election didn't go their way, or because they don't agree with what our leaders are doing.  Conservatives don't want to tear down monuments they find offensive.  Even the most radical right wing groups aren't out there tearing down statues of Martin Luther King Jr. or other prominent civil rights figures despite the fact that apparently, neo-nationalists would clearly be offended by any tribute to someone with a skin tone other than their own, right?

Liberals are the "tolerant" left...as long as you agree with everything they believe.  If you don't, they will burn everything down you represent, they will attack you in the most public and personal ways, and they will work tirelessly to end your existence if you won't bend.  While that sounds extreme, all you need to do is look at incidents like the bakery in Missouri I believe that was cherry picked by a media outlet because the owners were conservative Christians.  When the daughter of the owner was asked if their bakery would bake a cake for a gay wedding, she very politely said that they would not, but that they would refer the couple to someone who would.  That was nothing more than a dog whistle being blown by the left to unleash the hounds, and they went about trying to not only destroy the livelihood of this family, but they went after them personally.  That story has been told over and over again around this country any time progressives are offended.  Ann Coulter is scheduled to give a speech at Cal Berkeley, so the progressive students are given free reign to trash the campus and attack supporters of her speaking there.  Campus police stood down at the behest of the university president, and nobody was arrested for the widespread vandalism and physical assaults that were witnessed by the campus police.

The tolerant left.

It seems to me that with this latest press to remove monuments and symbols, we've actually seen this mindset before.  When the Taliban took over in Afghanistan, they systematically destroyed religious artifacts dating back thousands of years to erase the history.  ISIS did the same thing throughout the Middle East, destroying churches and other places of worship, trashing graves, and basically trying to remove any reference to the history of countries like Iraq.

Antifa is nothing more than the American Taliban, and with the anarchist movement, you can include BLM, Occupy, and any other of the dozens of progressive activist groups that are only too happy to use violence to achieve their end goal.  The funny thing is that these leftist groups are nothing more than a bunch of meat puppets, and they have no idea that they're being used like useful idiots by the people who really want to see a complete collapse of this nation.  They're all funded in some way, shape or form, by George Soros and his globalist group.  Not a conspiracy theory.  Follow the money.  It's well documented.  These groups may start out with one intention, but they're quickly taken over by operatives who are being paid to push a specific agenda, and they know that they're dealing with people who will pretty much follow whatever they're told because, after decades of being trained like cattle in government indoctrination centers, their herd is incapable of thinking for themselves.  They have been fully indoctrinated into the group think that festers throughout the progressive world, and they're like Pavlov's dogs when the bell is run, doing whatever their masters want them to do.

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If slavery  is such an issue with so many people, what is being done to combat modern day slavery? It is still present in the American underground. It is still accepted in many muslim countries. How many of these statue protesters are doing something about that? That is the true litmus test of whether this is a genuine issue.

So far, this doesn't pass the eyeball test. It is just another political ploy.

These mindless drones don't have time for real issues.  They must focus on the straw man they're told to focus on, and not shift their sights until told to do so.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The majority of the statues being taken down associated with the democratic party. Think about that.

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If slavery  is such an issue with so many people, what is being done to combat modern day slavery? It is still present in the American underground. It is still accepted in many muslim countries. How many of these statue protesters are doing something about that? That is the true litmus test of whether this is a genuine issue.

So far, this doesn't pass the eyeball test. It is just another political ploy.

So based on your logic, a person who has an aversion to someone robbing his house and takes measures to secure his home from robbers has an affirmative duty to protect all other homes from robberies, otherwise it isn't a genuine issue?  Since the US toppled one dictatorship by military force (Iraq), it then has the affirmative duty to topple all dictatorships by military force, otherwise dictatorships are not a genuine issue? Is this seriously the logic you advance here?

What are the modern efforts to curtail slavery?  A simple google search revealed this...https://2001-2009.state.gov/g/tip/rls/rm/07/85072.htm. 

Understand the efforts to curtail modern day slavery are going to be quite different than the Civil War for several reasons which SHOULD be obvious.  These reasons include, but are not limited to:

1.  Modern day slavery, especially in this country, is, as you described "underground."  It is "underground" because it is against the law here and in most countries.  Anyone caught trafficking slaves faces criminal sanction.  U.S. chattel slavery during the civil war era and before had the open and notorious support of at least thirteen states.  These same states were willing to secede from what we commonly refer to as the greatest country to ever exist for the right to continue to enslave people.  Two armies were formed and fought to preserve or dissolve the union over the issue of slavery.  Huge differences in size and scope of the issue.  Furthermore, by the time I was born, slavery as an existing enterprise, was largely a moot issue in this country.

2.  Because the modern slave traders are contemporary and underground, the general public does not know who they are, does not have the luxury of taking history classes or reading books to learn of their justifications for engaging in such a vile enterprise, and probably does not know of any statutes erected in their honor, if any.    On the other hand, we know who the confederates were, and the danger to the country they posed.  Anyone willing to learn the truth can readily determine their true motives and reasons for secession-preservation of slavery. Ironically, the individuals who revere and apologize for the Confederacy the most are seemingly ashamed of the words used by the Confederacy to explain why they seceded.   Unlike the modern day slave traders, Confederate advocates of slavery have statues built in their honor, schools named after them, and morally bankrupt people trying to this day to defend them, despite not being products of a time when slavery was rampant and "acceptable" in some quarters.

It IS accepted in some Muslim countries.  On a human level, I abhor that reality.  However, I am under no obligation to stop slavery there.  I am a citizen of one country-the United States of America.  As a general rule my duty to improve a country ends at my country's borders, because I am interested in improving my country.  I am not Muslim and have not the remotest connection to the Islamic countries to which you refer.  I do not speak Arabic, Farsi, or any number of various languages and dialects spoken in the countries to which you likely refer.  I have never been to the countries in question.  While I recoil at the idea of human suffering as manifested by slavery, as a general rule, I believe in the concept of sovereignty and trust in the ability of countries to govern themselves in a manner consistent with their values and traditional international norms of human decency.  To the extent a country should betray those norms, I reluctantly trust in the international community to alleviate the problems, in the absence of more viable solutions.

I do not know how many of the statue protestors are also involved in the efforts to stop the modern day underground slavery. I do not possess any sort of rosters of individuals who are active in either activity, or for that matter, actual or constructive knowledge that any such rosters exist, or how to get them if they do.  I find that slave trading, whether here or elsewhere, in the past, present, or future, to be an evil, repugnant enterprise.

Hopefully this answers your questions.

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The majority of the statues being taken down associated with the democratic party. Think about that.

Defended most vociferously by Republicans, which, taken together, should demonstrate the ideological shift conservatives disingenuously deny after the Civil Rights legislation signed into law by LBJ.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Many here have tossed around the word "offended" as a way to minimize the significance of the issues/concerns of those who push for the removal of confederate statutes and artifacts from various public areas, and to lampoon us as hypersensitive "eggshell plaintiffs," to borrow a phrase from law.

However, whether deliberate or not, such glib analysis misses an important dynamic here that distinguishes the desire to remove the statue from mere insult.

Assume some 7th grader chides his classmate thusly: "Tim is a bonehead." Now that's certainly not a nice thing to say, but in the larger scheme of things, is typically of little import. All kids get teased and insulted from time to time. Yet we "eggshell" protestors who want the confederate statues removed aren't pushing for schools to be closed. Why not? If school yards are a place for insults to thrive, and insults lead to offense, then according to you, being averse to offense, we should be pushing for schools to close.

Tim being called a bonehead may be unfortunate and even untrue, but societal policy is not shaped around the premise that Tim is a bonehead. Laws are not established to to reinforce that idea and ensure that Tin is treated accordingly. Tim can easily brush off the insult and move on with life.

Not so with those on the wrong side of those depicted by the statues. When the Confederacy was founded under the idea that "...the Negro is NOT the equal to the white man," they established laws to reinforce that idea that persisted even after the Confederacy ceased to exist as a viable political entity. The former confederate states enacted laws that prohibited blacks to be educated, and then later prohibited blacks from attending schools with whites, leaving blacks with inferior books, supplies, buildings, etc. These same states enacted laws that prohibited blacks from serving on juries, barred blacks from being outside their neighborhoods after sundown, from being in white residential areas except within the context of being a domestic worker, passed laws making it more difficult for blacks to vote. They passed laws mandating which water fountains from which blacks could drink, into which doors blacks could enter or exit in a public establishment, where blacks could sit in a restaurant, movie theater or bus. They passed laws precluding blacks from staying in hotels, getting medical treatment at hospitals, and studying at some colleges and universities Every aspect of life for blacks was impacted by laws designed to advance the premise that "the negro is not equal to the white man," and ensure the law realizes that result. There is a residual effect of these laws and that mindset that negatively impacts blacks to this day. This very thread is about a protest march by white supremacists who think "the negro is not equal to the white man." Blacks were injured by those white supremacists who had that mindset.

It goes beyond mere offense for those who want those statues removed.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Many here have tossed around the word "offended" as a way to minimize the significance of the issues/concerns of those who push for the removal of confederate statutes and artifacts from various public areas, and to lampoon us as hypersensitive "eggshell plaintiffs," to borrow a phrase from law.

However, whether deliberate or not, such glib analysis misses an important dynamic here that distinguishes the desire to remove the statue from mere insult.

Assume some 7th grader chides his classmate thusly:  "Tim is a bonehead."  Now that's certainly not a nice thing to say, but in the larger scheme of things, is typically of little import.  All kids get teased and insulted from time to time.  Yet we "eggshell" protestors who want the confederate statues removed aren't pushing for schools to be closed.  Why not?  If school yards are a place for insults to thrive, and insults lead to offense, then according to you, being averse to offense, we should be pushing for schools to close.

Tim being called a bonehead may be unfortunate and even untrue, but societal policy is not shaped around the premise that Tim is a bonehead.  Laws are not established to to reinforce that idea and ensure that Tin is treated accordingly.  Tim can easily brush off the insult and move on with life.

Not so with those on the wrong side of those depicted by the statues.  When the Confederacy was founded under the idea that "...the Negro is NOT the equal to the white man," they established laws to reinforce that idea that persisted even after the Confederacy ceased to exist as a viable political entity.  The former confederate states enacted laws that prohibited blacks to be educated, and then later prohibited blacks from attending schools with whites, leaving blacks with inferior books, supplies, buildings, etc.  These same states enacted laws that prohibited blacks from serving on juries, barred blacks from being outside their neighborhoods after sundown, from being in white residential areas except within the context of being a domestic worker, passed laws making it more difficult for blacks to vote.  They passed laws mandating which water fountains from which blacks could drink, into which doors blacks could enter or exit in a public establishment, where blacks could sit in a restaurant, movie theater or bus.  They passed laws precluding blacks from staying in hotels, getting medical treatment at hospitals, and studying at some colleges and universities  Every aspect of life for blacks was impacted by laws designed to advance the premise that "the negro is not equal to the white man," and ensure the law realizes that result. There is a residual effect of these laws and that mindset that negatively impacts blacks to this day.  This very thread is about a protest march by white supremacists who think "the negro is not equal to the white man."  Blacks were injured by those white supremacists who had that mindset.

It goes beyond mere offense for those who want those statues removed.

There is no question that slavery and racism were stains on both the human conscience and our national history.  There is no question that the external yoke of slavery and the statutory yoke of segregation had a depressive effect on the earning capacity of blacks.  There is a credible and cogent argument to be made about whether symbols that represent those ideals should be displayed or celebrated by the state. 

The challenge that I have is that this debate is not being held about the historical or contextual relevance of the confederate symbols themselves (which I personally have no affection for) it is being used as a subtext for a larger narrative that America itself is racist at its founding and that the challenges facing minorities today are as a result of institutional racism both seen and unseen.  The removal of these monuments is used as a precursor for a re-examination of the larger American ethos of limited government, individual liberty, private property and self determination. 

Institutional racism and white privilege are used as buzz words and the destruction of these statutes etc. is viewed as a strike against that.  The problem presents itself when we look at the data.  The two leading indicators of wealth in this country are the structure of the family and the age at which a child begins earning income away from the household. When you weight for the integrity of the nuclear family the achievement Gap between the races virtually disappears.  In 1960 100 years after slavery 22% of black children lived in single parent homes.  30 years later, that number had tripled.  We can have a discussion about how much slavery and segregation contributed to that 22% but we know that it had nothing to do with the tripling.  Around the same time black youth unemployment was actually lower than that of their white counterparts.  Today in some parts of the country that number is in excess of 50%.  Yet somehow nearly 100% of the attention paid to improving the conditions for black success focus on people and institutions that have been dead for 150 years instead of the effects of progressive policies in effect today.  To that end, the legitimate moral outrage that we have towards our fallings from decades past is usurped as a fig leaf for the failure of contemporary liberal policies. 

In no way am I excusing slavery or segregation.  That's an illustration that throughout history the black community itself has always demonstrated itself to have the peculiar ability to achieve, thrive and survive even in the most extreme of circumstances.  Even in the antebellum south, there were 3800 black slave owners, William Ellison was a prominent plantation owner and financial supporter of the confederacy.  The percentage of free blacks that owned slaves was roughly congruent to the percentage of whites that owned slaves. 

In summation, The confederacy lost.  It's basis was flawed and represented the worst in the basic nature of mankind.  It's legacy is both heartbreaking and eye opening.  If it is proposed that as a collective, through the democratic process, we should remove these statutes and monuments from places of prominence then i'm all for it.  But it bothers me when the reasons given, both explicit and implicit, imply that minorities are so small in both stature and character that the thought of a statue or a rally are truly strong enough to keep us from determining our own destiny.

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I mean, when does it end. I'm tired of it. I'm a Trump supporter and voted for him. I'm not a racist. I think we should all be treated equally. But I think the white Americans in this country are disadvantaged. I see in my workplace where black people or Latino have no problem calling a white person a racist name even if it's jokingly because they can get away with it. I see it everywhere. The moment a white person disagrees with the left they are labeled a racist. It's become a lose lose situation for the white man.

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Man, Herman Cain crushed it right on the head. I love this guy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uyDpeopZ9Hs

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Please read some actual history, people. African slavery was facilitated by Africans selling other Africans to European and Muslim slavers. The system in colonial America was indentured servitude, in which slaves had to be freed after 7 years and freed slaves were given 50 acres of land. The first slave owner in America was a black man, Anthony Johnson, who went to court to have his freed slave John Casor returned. In 1655, the court ruled that Anthony Johnson could hold John Casor indefinitely. The court gave judicial sanction for blacks to own slaves of their own race. Whites could not own slaves until 1670. In 1699, Virginia ordered the repatriation of freed blacks back to Africa. Many freed slaves "sold" themselves to white men to avoid being shipped to Africa. Lincoln thought the black race was inferior and should have no place in white society. He wanted to ship American blacks to Liberia. Lincoln "freed" the slaves in a nation he had no control over, and did not free the slaves in the nation he was President of.

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I personally dont have a problem with removing all confederate garbage, they took up arms against this country, they lost...delete their [BLEEP] and move on.  Should have happened long ago imo...but that's just me

If you consider the Union burning down the Confederate cities than having all of the Southerners watch as the Yankees move into their towns and take over then yes, I guess you can consider that a slight victory.


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It goes beyond mere offense for those who want those statues removed.

Tell me something, I've asked my other friends who are demanding that these monuments be removed and they avoid answering.  Why, suddenly, are these monuments so offensive?  The majority of them have been in place for decades and I know that some of the same people who are now offended and demanding their removal posed for pictures in front of them in the past.   They weren't offended then.    Why now all of a sudden are these monuments so offensive?

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A clear photo of the Challenger being attacked:

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It's tough being an old, while male southerner these days, isn't it? History is catching up to you, and you don't like it.

But hey, the post Confederacy had a good run. 165+ years is nothing to sneeze at. But all things must pass.

I find great humor in people bemoaning the removal of statues that until two days ago they didn't know existed. Those of you in Duval County go down to Hemming Park and gaze upon the Confederate Soldier all the time? Didn't think so. Would you know if it was removed last week? Didn't think so.

It doesn't bother you that a lot of this love of the Confederacy was in direct reaction to Brown v. Board of Education? I went to school in Duval County - grades 1-12 - and never had a black kid in any class. Duval fought integration tooth and nail. That's the history you're trying to preserve?

Come Senators, Congressmen
Please head the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't citicize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
And your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a changin'.

Don't worry, FBT. You and the boys at the country club, as well as Stroud and Winger and Drifter and Dakota and Richard Spencer and David Duke and all associated fellow travelers will get through this. It just won't have the outcome you wish. You thought with Trump you had a chance to string it out a little longer - but the little tin god you chose to support turned out to be a petulant man-child who puts his personal grievances before any agenda. And he's a terrible politician who is alienating everyone except a few true believers.

So, put on your Sean Hannity Truth Deflectors and hunker down. You'll always have Byron LeftTown's trolling posts to amuse you.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Adam2012, you got a helluva nerve associating me and others with David Duke and Richard Spencer ....
I have not seen any racist remarks here....
It's about heritage not hate.......
Those fringe groups stole our symbols and use them for their own neferious purposes......

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You know trouble is right around the corner when your best friend tells you to hold his beer!!

Adam2012, you got a helluva nerve associating me and others with David Duke and Richard Spencer ....
I have not seen any racist remarks here....
It's about heritage not hate.......
Those fringe groups stole our symbols and use them for their own neferious purposes......

That's what liberals do best. Make stuff up, get triggered over the crap they make up and plague the country with their ignorance.

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Adam, we missed you around here. Does this mean all of the french fries in America have been officially fried?

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It's tough being an old, while male southerner these days, isn't it? History is catching up to you, and you don't like it.

But hey, the post Confederacy had a good run. 165+ years is nothing to sneeze at. But all things must pass.

I find great humor in people bemoaning the removal of statues that until two days ago they didn't know existed.  Those of you in Duval County go down to Hemming Park and gaze upon the Confederate Soldier all the time? Didn't think so. Would you know if it was removed last week? Didn't think so.

It doesn't bother you that a lot of this love of the Confederacy was in direct reaction to Brown v. Board of Education? I went to school in Duval County - grades 1-12 - and never had a black kid in any class. Duval fought integration tooth and nail. That's the history you're trying to preserve?

Come Senators, Congressmen
Please head the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't citicize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
And your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a changin'.

Don't worry, FBT. You and the boys at the country club, as well as Stroud and Winger and Drifter and Dakota and Richard Spencer and David Duke and all associated fellow travelers will get through this. It just won't have the outcome you wish. You thought with Trump you had a chance to string it out a little longer - but the little tin god you chose to support turned out to be a petulant man-child who puts his personal grievances before any agenda. And he's a terrible politician who is alienating everyone except a few true believers.

So, put on your Sean Hannity Truth Deflectors and hunker down. You'll always have Byron LeftTown's trolling posts to amuse you.

You know absolutely nothing about me, yet you feel compelled to link me with people like Richard Spencer or David Duke?  You're nothing but the typical liberal who needs to demonize those who don't agree with you.  Pretty pathetic, but also pretty much the standard tactic these days. 

My opposition to this effort to dismantle visible representations of history, regardless of the intention of their being built or erected in the first place, comes from the fact that I think it starts us down a slippery slope that you and the rest of the leftist snowflakes want this country to go down so that you can truly eradicate anything you find offensive from the public view.  

It's Confederate monuments today (which I couldn't care less about), tomorrow it's the founding fathers, then you're going after religious or any other straw man institution or symbol that you can find to claim you're offended over because anything you oppose must be destroyed or erased.  One thing is certain. You don't want a two way dialogue. You don't want to be rational. You just want things gone and a safe space where you can go to avoid being offended by reality. That's how the modern "progressive" thinks these days.  Anyone who opposes them has to be labeled and ultimately eliminated before they damage your precious psyche.  Well, right back at ya snowflake.

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