True true.i don't hold the first run against the D as from every angle it looked like he was down but apparently he wasn't. But yeah there was some epic over by pursuit in this game.

But let's talk about something more detrimental.
Why does Lee drop so many passes? And why wasn't hurns the hot route there?

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Also a diff FG kicker and we aren't even talking about a loss here

Also, why when running it three times in a row is a bad idea did the coaching staff do it but when it was a good idea they threw three times in a row, instead?

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Run defense was absolutely terrible today. That is a separate rant altogether. One rant at a time. This thread is about putting Bortles under the microscope and diagnosing the ineptness. It can no longer be ignored. And, it can no longer be speculated that a good defense and run game will carry this team. Bortles will bring the team back to mediocrity or worse.

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True true.i don't hold the first run against the D as from every angle it looked like he was down but apparently he wasn't. But yeah there was some epic over by pursuit in this game.

But let's talk about something more detrimental.
Why does Lee drop so many passes? And why wasn't hurns the hot route there?

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Also a diff FG kicker and we aren't even talking about a loss here

Another good question is why did they throw it 3 straight times at the end of regulation, when Fournette should of just had a TD canceled by holding? They should have pounded Fournette 3 straight times instead of settling for the FG. Why is he not getting the ball in a situation like this?

You draft a guy that high to be the man and you don't give the ball to him in crunch time, when the game is on the line? C'mon Bruh

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There were quite a few times I was questioning play calling. Seemed like a lot of 3-1s where we took the FB out and did pitches or rb swing passes that lost 3-5 yards each time. Why not put a FB in, tell them team to [BLEEP] drive it down third throat for a yard and get it.

You can make a bb hate thread all u want, but it's never just a qb that loses u games
Look at the chargers or Giants...

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The bottom line is this.

The defense lost the game today, not Bortles.

Did Bortles play well today?  Meh, he wasn't great and he didn't make any stupid boneheaded mistakes or turn the ball over.  Some of his throws were pretty bad, but they aren't the reason for the loss.

The defense lost the game today by letting more than a couple of long runs go for scores.

This team is not built to come from behind.  As soon as they fell behind I knew that it was over, especially when they went to the pass more often than the run.  Again penalties were also an issue.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

The bottom line is this.

The defense lost the game today, not Bortles.

Did Bortles play well today?  Meh, he wasn't great and he didn't make any stupid boneheaded mistakes or turn the ball over.  Some of his throws were pretty bad, but they aren't the reason for the loss.

The defense lost the game today by letting more than a couple of long runs go for scores.

This team is not built to come from behind.  As soon as they fell behind I knew that it was over, especially when they went to the pass more often than the run.  Again penalties were also an issue.

He did have a batted pass go for an INT, but I agree, the team could have won if they had prepared well to stop the run.

It's a major concern at this point, they've shown bad gap integrity repeatedly this season. In two of the four games the pass defense made up for it, but in two of them the team lost directly because of the bad run defense.

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The defense gave up really only two killer plays. The first nyj td was not a td in my opinion and the defense still played good enough to win. They held the jets when it counted more than once and bortles couldn't come through. He was really bad today.

Its probably time to think about what veteran options might be possible next season.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

The defense gave up really only two killer plays. The first nyj td was not a td in my opinion and the defense still played good enough to win. They held the jets when it counted more than once and bortles couldn't come through. He was really bad today.

Its probably time to think about what veteran options might be possible next season.

Yea, if this team doesn't go out and sign a veteran QB in off-season they are crazy.

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15/35 140yards 1 TD 1 int. Classic Bortles.

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Bortles 15/35 today. Terdible.

He had way too many passes that were ducks, behind receivers, thrown into double coverage and should have been picked off, and overthrown or underthrown by 5 to 10 yards. Yeah, run defense was an issue, but sometimes your offense has to bail out your defense, and not always the other way around. At this point, Bortles having a good game is more of an anomaly.

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And Bortles can't trust his receivers. It's a vicious circle.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Bortles was not great today, but he not the reason they lost. If everyone played as good as BB5 today on the jags, th e jags would have one the game. The coaches, thier is the problem.

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How crazy is going after Phillip Rivers? Chargers are 0-4 and need a franchise player out of the next draft.

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Bortles is not the only reason we lost this game but it further reinforces the idea that he just cannot carry this team. He's not bad but he's not very good. If he has to make a play to win the game, we will lose the game. That's not to say he can't be the qb that is apart of wins and contributes to the win. He just will never be the sole reason we win a game.

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Is Bortles' height listed wrong. How in the world can you have 64+ batted passes in 4 years.

The defense gave up really only two killer plays. The first nyj td was not a td in my opinion and the defense still played good enough to win. They held the jets when it counted more than once and bortles couldn't come through. He was really bad today.

Its probably time to think about what veteran options might be possible next season.

Yea, if this team doesn't go out and sign a veteran QB in off-season they are crazy.

We do not need a veteran quarterback (another teams garbage) unless you mean from Army, Navy, or Air Force. We need to draft the best quarterback we can in the next draft. We did not pick up one last draft because there were no good options.

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Bortles is not the only reason we lost this game but it further reinforces the idea that he just cannot carry this team. He's not bad but he's not very good. If he has to make a play to win the game, we will lose the game. That's not to say he can't be the qb that is apart of wins and contributes to the win. He just will never be the sole reason we win a game.

Yeah what you are saying is we don't have a QB.  You can't win in this league when you need to negate the QB position.

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It is pitiful when you don't need the rush to get home to beat the QB. Lorton is growing on me as the color analyst and I like him. He was spot on all game. He made the point if you can't call slants because your QB can't keep the ball from being batted, the OC can't use his play book to win games. Bottles is negating 2/3 of the playbook.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

Watching the Colts and Seahawks Brisset is better than Bortles.

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Meanwhile, rookie Deshaun Watson threw for 4 TD's today against the team that held Bortles to a 63.7 QB rating.

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Bortles is not the only reason we lost this game but it further reinforces the idea that he just cannot carry this team. He's not bad but he's not very good. If he has to make a play to win the game, we will lose the game. That's not to say he can't be the qb that is apart of wins and contributes to the win. He just will never be the sole reason we win a game.

actually he made a play to win the game and lee dropped it.  So imo he put the team in position to win, then on back to back plays lee put the team in position to lose.

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The bottom line is this.

The defense lost the game today, not Bortles.

Did Bortles play well today?  Meh, he wasn't great and he didn't make any stupid boneheaded mistakes or turn the ball over.  Some of his throws were pretty bad, but they aren't the reason for the loss.

The defense lost the game today by letting more than a couple of long runs go for scores.

This team is not built to come from behind.  As soon as they fell behind I knew that it was over, especially when they went to the pass more often than the run.  Again penalties were also an issue.

Don’t forget Bortles gave them 3 points on the interception. If it wasn’t for the defense the game would of been over if they scored a TD

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The bottom line is this.

The defense lost the game today, not Bortles.

Did Bortles play well today?  Meh, he wasn't great and he didn't make any stupid boneheaded mistakes or turn the ball over.  Some of his throws were pretty bad, but they aren't the reason for the loss.

The defense lost the game today by letting more than a couple of long runs go for scores.

This team is not built to come from behind.  As soon as they fell behind I knew that it was over, especially when they went to the pass more often than the run.  Again penalties were also an issue.

Don’t forget Bortles gave them 3 points on the interception. If it wasn’t for the defense the game would of been over if they scored a TD

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