(12-06-2017, 04:56 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(12-06-2017, 02:36 PM)rollerjag Wrote: Muhammad Ali was a conscientious objector, without bone spurs. Of course he was black and a Muslim, so his objections were less valid than your average Quaker.

I have no problem with either one dodging a draft. I view the draft as a form of slavery.

That said, what Ali did was found to be a crime, while Trump was never charged. Admittedly the deck was stacked against a prominent celebrity in Ali's case in order to make a statement to other potential draft dodgers, and his race may or may not have also been a factor. Donald Trump was not an internationally (or even nationally) well known celebrity at the time.

And you can't be that naive to believe that Ali had a religious bone in his body, it was purely to get out of the army. He chose the most violent major religion in the world as his supposed basis of non-violent conscience, which goes to show that he had no clue about the religion he claimed to be a part of. 

Ali's conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court. You are showing your personal prejudice both towards Ali and Islam. We cannot talk religion too much here, but I doubt you know as much about Islam as a follower. By his words and actions, Ali showed himself to be devout Muslim, and converted well before he was drafted. You should do a little bit of research instead of pulling [BLEEP] from your [BLEEP].

Quote:"War is against the teachings of the Qur'an. I'm not trying to dodge the draft. We are not supposed to take part in no wars unless declared by Allah or The Messenger. We don't take part in Christian wars or wars of any unbelievers."

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