(03-18-2018, 07:27 PM)nate Wrote: (03-18-2018, 05:07 PM)JackCity Wrote: How do you build a consistently good team without being great at getting value? Telvin Smith in the 5th is an example of great value. He fell with his size, test failure and questions marks about his ability to play in different schemes. We selected him and placed him in the perfect role/scheme for him. The result? One of the best LBs in the NFL. Getting good value also extends to FA. The Patriots do it every year. They take cast offs or undervalued assets from other teams.
Important to look at the different parts involved in that Browns trade. They got good value from trading back in the form of quality draft assets. They then made awful use of said assets (and their value) by selecting badly. Wentz would not be 2017 Wentz in Cleveland and he was by no means a sure thing coming out. Good value trade, bad value result through poor drafting.
Well of course people weren't calling Bradys selection phenomenal value. He ended up being the biggest outlier (and value selection) in the history of the NFL. He was a backup/borderline NFL player who developed into arguably the greatest player ever.
Correctly evaluating talent is directly linked to the pursuit of "value" though. As is selecting players that best fit your scheme. Of course NFL teams don't care what outsiders think? Why would they?
Totally disagree in every way possible to the assertion about the Pats getting what YOU WOULD call "good value".
They get guys that are THEIR GUYS--guys that are good in THEIR SYSTEM, with the exceptions like Moss noted.
Over and over again, they take guys like Amendola, Hogan, Bennett, Branch, Long, Mcleilin, Browner, Lloyd and make them just fit them better than anyone
The same held true with a great deal of their trades, like with Welker.
It seems like draftnics and madden-ties don't contemplate the "value" to one team may be completely different to another.
Another way to put this: Any reasonable person would have to say that Telvin Smith is "value" whether he's a 5th round guy or he was drafted in Round 2. Some other team may have drafted him and let him be a special teams ace.
"Over and over again, they take guys like Amendola, Hogan, Bennett, Branch, Long, Mcleilin, Browner, Lloyd and make them just fit them better than anyone"
All examples of getting good value. The pats take cast offs and undervalued assets and maximise them by putting them in the best possible role to succeed. I'm not sure if you realise it but you are actually arguing my point.
Your last paragraph doesn't make any sense. Telvin isn't a good value because he was drafted in the 5th. He's good value because he was drafted in the 5th and became a pro bowl type player. If he was drafted by another in the 5th and just played on special teams then he would be bad value.
Question: How is the pats signing undervalued assets that they know they can maximise better than anyone anything BUT taking advantage of value?
