(03-19-2018, 11:40 AM)JackCity Wrote:

(03-19-2018, 10:05 AM)Bullseye Wrote: Precisely.  If you correctly evaluate talent, the value takes care of itself.

The problem in this discussion and those like it is that value is way too often determined by whether you traded down to get your guy or not, absent other considerations.

If you spend your time chasing value instead of talent, you end up like Cleveland, who traded their way out of Wentz, Conklin, and Watson.

They aren't separate ideas. Getting value doesn't = ignoring talent evaluation. Evaluating talent is part and parcel of attaining value in the NFL. 

The browns failed because they couldn't correctly evaluate talent. Not because they were blindly pursuing value over talent.  

Perhaps my definition of  value is too nebulous or not explained well enough. It isn't a case of talent evaluation Vs value at all.

So there's never been a case where a team traded back, thinking a player they want would be available a little lower, only to have that player taken in front of them?

I can't recall a specific instance at the moment, but I'm sure it happens more often than you might think.

I'm willing to bet if Chubb is taken before pick 6, that will have happened to the Colts.

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