(07-14-2018, 12:20 PM)rollerjag Wrote:

(07-14-2018, 11:50 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: The baby can feel pain, has its own DNA, finger prints, and blood type. What more would it take to be considered a person to you?

I think there is a reasonable point of viability. Most cells have DNA, finger prints develop and pain is felt around 5 - 6 months, you are correct about blood type. I don't mean to be Draconian, I'm not a rabid proponent of baby slaughter, which abortion is not. I understand the opposition to aborting a fetus that could feasibly live outside its mother's womb, but 91.40% of abortions occur before the 14th week, another 7.2% before week 21. I'm sorry if this offends you, but I believe the fate of a fetus during that period should be up to the mother upon whose body it depends on for development. Like TJ said, I'm tired of a matter affecting such a small number so often becoming the single issue upon which a SCOTUS nominee is judged, on both sides.

Your opinion doesn't offend me. I just disagree with it.

I may have confused pain with physical stimuli. They react to light, sounds, and touch as early as 20 weeks. While it may not be pain, I don't think there's much difference to the point. Cells having DNA aren't the same as the baby having its own unique DNA from the mother. I don't think dependency on the mother is what creates a human.

You have to have a limit to abortion. I'm sure you wouldn't abort a baby still attached to the umbilical cord but outside the mother. What's the difference between that baby and one that is the same exact age but inside the womb? Both depend on the mother. If there is no real difference between the two, then what's the difference between the second baby and a baby that's a week younger? This example can go on-and-on until we get to the youngest possible example. If you don't have a limit to abortion then this example clearly doesn't apply to you, and I don't think we could ever find common grounds. 

If it's the heart function you stop at, there are adults that are only alive due to a pace maker.

If it's the brain function you stop at, there are adults in a coma and wont have proper brain function for a while or ever.

The problem is that when you draw a line at anything other than inception, you end up drawing a line that can be applied to adults.

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