(07-18-2018, 03:05 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(07-18-2018, 02:09 PM)pirkster Wrote: The over-regulation, in fact, is what has caused prices to skyrocket and be unrealistic, unsustainable.

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So-called "single payer" has been proven to be a failure.

In reality, the single payer is the patient.  It's the patient's responsibility alone.  Your care, your responsibility.  How you meet it that obligation (through insurance and out of pocket) is up to you to navigate and decide how to approach.

I don't find, and you haven't offered, evidence in support of either claim that you make above.
The British and Canadian systems are both stressed, yes, but are still doing better than us in terms of prices (including the part that government pays) and outcomes.  

My claim is that a low supply of doctors and insufficient competition between hospitals is driving costs up.  As evidence I can refer you to WHO statistics on the number of physicians per capita. In Western Europe they have twice as many as we do.

Well, when we can't agree on facts, then there's no point in a discussion with you.  The US healthcare system was (and still is, despite the damage 0bamacare did) the best in the world.  You can't get the level of care you get here in rationed nations.  Innovation has brought down cost as well.  So, if you can't accept important truths then there's no point.  You're in a different reality.  Our care and value cannot be matched, though it's closer than it used to be due to 0bamacare.

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