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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez


(12-20-2018, 02:12 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 11:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Well now, Ms Ocasio Cortez's supporters are going to march on Nancy Pelosi's office and demand that Nancy put her on the Ways and Means Committee.  

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nan...7e9076e0c3

You guys okay with this?   hahahahahaha  

Just when you think things cannot get any more ridiculous...

That's not how Congress works. You spend your freshman term on the Toilet Scrubbing Committee while trying to sell overpriced candy bars to tourists at the Washington Monument. You don't get to walk in and take a seat on one of the most important committees.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when she goes to Nancy Pelosi's office and demands to be put on that committee.
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(12-20-2018, 02:12 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 11:56 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Well now, Ms Ocasio Cortez's supporters are going to march on Nancy Pelosi's office and demand that Nancy put her on the Ways and Means Committee.  

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nan...7e9076e0c3

You guys okay with this?   hahahahahaha  

Just when you think things cannot get any more ridiculous...

That's not how Congress works. You spend your freshman term on the Toilet Scrubbing Committee while trying to sell overpriced candy bars to tourists at the Washington Monument. You don't get to walk in and take a seat on one of the most important committees.

That's the way that it has worked in the past.  But that's not really fair.  Many people like term limits.  If a district picks candidates that choose to self-impose term limits, that district will never have someone with seniority enough to steer a committee.  If enough other Democrats want AOC on a committee, she should be on it regardless of seniority.  It shouldn't really be up to the Speaker.   They could even make it sort of random and that would be better.
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LOL.  The child that needs needs a break prior to even starting her new job on one of the most important congressional committees.  Priceless.


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(This post was last modified: 12-21-2018, 08:06 AM by The Real Marty.)

(12-20-2018, 04:55 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 02:12 PM)TJBender Wrote: That's not how Congress works. You spend your freshman term on the Toilet Scrubbing Committee while trying to sell overpriced candy bars to tourists at the Washington Monument. You don't get to walk in and take a seat on one of the most important committees.

That's the way that it has worked in the past.  But that's not really fair.  Many people like term limits.  If a district picks candidates that choose to self-impose term limits, that district will never have someone with seniority enough to steer a committee.  If enough other Democrats want AOC on a committee, she should be on it regardless of seniority.  It shouldn't really be up to the Speaker.   They could even make it sort of random and that would be better.

Committee assignments should be set by the person's abilities, experience, and interests.   For example, when it comes to the Ways and Means Committee, if one candidate is a bartender/waitress, and the other candidate is an accountant, I'd pick the accountant every time.  Judiciary Committee should have a large proportion of lawyers.   Commerce Committee should have a large proportion of business people.  

In fact, I don't know of any committee that a bartender/waitress would qualify for, unless there's some obscure subcommittee that deals with bartenders and waitresses.  

As far as seniority goes, the assumption is that experience is a strength.  That's probably a valid assumption.

Also, she doesn't just get put on a committee. She has to take someone else's spot. It's not like "if enough democrats want her on a committee..." There's another person to deal with- the one who doesn't get a seat on the committee because they decided to put her on the committee.

Look, if Bill Gates was a first term congressman, and there was a Technology Committee, then I'd say his qualifications overrode his lack of seniority. But she has no particular qualifications for the Ways and Means Committee.
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(12-21-2018, 07:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-20-2018, 04:55 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's the way that it has worked in the past.  But that's not really fair.  Many people like term limits.  If a district picks candidates that choose to self-impose term limits, that district will never have someone with seniority enough to steer a committee.  If enough other Democrats want AOC on a committee, she should be on it regardless of seniority.  It shouldn't really be up to the Speaker.   They could even make it sort of random and that would be better.

Committee assignments should be set by the person's abilities, experience, and interests.   For example, when it comes to the Ways and Means Committee, if one candidate is a bartender/waitress, and the other candidate is an accountant, I'd pick the accountant every time.  Judiciary Committee should have a large proportion of lawyers.   Commerce Committee should have a large proportion of business people.  

In fact, I don't know of any committee that a bartender/waitress would qualify for, unless there's some obscure subcommittee that deals with bartenders and waitresses.  

As far as seniority goes, the assumption is that experience is a strength.  That's probably a valid assumption.

Also, she doesn't just get put on a committee.   She has to take someone else's spot.   It's not like "if enough democrats want her on a committee..."   There's another person to deal with- the one who doesn't get a seat on the committee because they decided to put her on the committee.  

Look, if Bill Gates was a first term congressman, and there was a Technology Committee, then I'd say his qualifications overrode his lack of seniority.   But she has no particular qualifications for the Ways and Means Committee.

The number of seats on a committee is not fixed.
The only rule is that the majority party gets one or two more seats than the minority party.
Basing the assignments on life experience is certainly how things would run in a private business or government bureaucracy, sure, but it fails to recognize that the voters in Long island who selected AOC have just as much value and dignity as any other voter. They think that a twenty-nine-year-old former bartender has more to contribute than the more aged and experienced candidates that they rejected. Congress's method of committee assignments should respect this. Each member should get a chance to state their first second and third choice, and a random but fair process should sort out who gets what based on those preferences.
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(12-21-2018, 10:02 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-21-2018, 07:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Committee assignments should be set by the person's abilities, experience, and interests.   For example, when it comes to the Ways and Means Committee, if one candidate is a bartender/waitress, and the other candidate is an accountant, I'd pick the accountant every time.  Judiciary Committee should have a large proportion of lawyers.   Commerce Committee should have a large proportion of business people.  

In fact, I don't know of any committee that a bartender/waitress would qualify for, unless there's some obscure subcommittee that deals with bartenders and waitresses.  

As far as seniority goes, the assumption is that experience is a strength.  That's probably a valid assumption.

Also, she doesn't just get put on a committee.   She has to take someone else's spot.   It's not like "if enough democrats want her on a committee..."   There's another person to deal with- the one who doesn't get a seat on the committee because they decided to put her on the committee.  

Look, if Bill Gates was a first term congressman, and there was a Technology Committee, then I'd say his qualifications overrode his lack of seniority.   But she has no particular qualifications for the Ways and Means Committee.

The number of seats on a committee is not fixed.
The only rule is that the majority party gets one or two more seats than the minority party.
Basing the assignments on life experience is certainly how things would run in a private business or government bureaucracy, sure, but it fails to recognize that the voters in Long island who selected AOC have just as much value and dignity as any other voter. They think that a twenty-nine-year-old former bartender has more to contribute than the more aged and experienced candidates that they rejected. Congress's method of committee assignments should respect this. Each member should get a chance to state their first second and third choice, and a random but fair process should sort out who gets what based on those preferences.

If the voted for her then they have little value and zero dignity.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-21-2018, 10:02 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-21-2018, 07:54 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: Committee assignments should be set by the person's abilities, experience, and interests.   For example, when it comes to the Ways and Means Committee, if one candidate is a bartender/waitress, and the other candidate is an accountant, I'd pick the accountant every time.  Judiciary Committee should have a large proportion of lawyers.   Commerce Committee should have a large proportion of business people.  

In fact, I don't know of any committee that a bartender/waitress would qualify for, unless there's some obscure subcommittee that deals with bartenders and waitresses.  

As far as seniority goes, the assumption is that experience is a strength.  That's probably a valid assumption.

Also, she doesn't just get put on a committee.   She has to take someone else's spot.   It's not like "if enough democrats want her on a committee..."   There's another person to deal with- the one who doesn't get a seat on the committee because they decided to put her on the committee.  

Look, if Bill Gates was a first term congressman, and there was a Technology Committee, then I'd say his qualifications overrode his lack of seniority.   But she has no particular qualifications for the Ways and Means Committee.

The number of seats on a committee is not fixed.
The only rule is that the majority party gets one or two more seats than the minority party.
Basing the assignments on life experience is certainly how things would run in a private business or government bureaucracy, sure, but it fails to recognize that the voters in Long island who selected AOC have just as much value and dignity as any other voter. They think that a twenty-nine-year-old former bartender has more to contribute than the more aged and experienced candidates that they rejected. Congress's method of committee assignments should respect this. Each member should get a chance to state their first second and third choice, and a random but fair process should sort out who gets what based on those preferences.

The voters in Long Island certainly do have as much value and dignity as any other voter.   I certainly wouldn't argue that one.   Problem is, there are about 234 other districts that elected democrats, and they also have as much value and dignity as the voters in Long Island.   So it's a wash on that basis.  Everybody's got value and dignity.   So the question remains- are there more deserving people, who have more experience and better qualifications?   YES.  So, unless they decide the Ways and Means Committee is going to have, say, 201 members (101 Dems and 100 Reps), she doesn't deserve that spot.
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(12-21-2018, 10:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-21-2018, 10:02 AM)mikesez Wrote: The number of seats on a committee is not fixed.
The only rule is that the majority party gets one or two more seats than the minority party.
Basing the assignments on life experience is certainly how things would run in a private business or government bureaucracy, sure, but it fails to recognize that the voters in Long island who selected AOC have just as much value and dignity as any other voter. They think that a twenty-nine-year-old former bartender has more to contribute than the more aged and experienced candidates that they rejected. Congress's method of committee assignments should respect this. Each member should get a chance to state their first second and third choice, and a random but fair process should sort out who gets what based on those preferences.

If the voted for her then they have little value and zero dignity.

Good to see you measure a human's worth based upon the letter on their voter ID card.
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(12-21-2018, 10:29 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(12-21-2018, 10:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: If the voted for her then they have little value and zero dignity.

Good to see you measure a human's worth based upon the letter on their voter ID card.

Nah, it was criticism of their actions.
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I don't think anyone is scared of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. They're just entertained by stupid people.
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Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries
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(12-22-2018, 11:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries

Easy for her to say. She's been pulling down insane tips at TGI Friday's since moving to DC.
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(12-22-2018, 11:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries

There is no way that thought came out of her head.
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No no no, a shutdown just means they stop doing things with the money they take from us.

(12-23-2018, 11:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(12-22-2018, 11:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries

There is no way that thought came out of her head.

The sad reality is that for the overwhelming majority of Congresspeople, losing the income from their "day job" just means they'll have to skip that third trip to Monaco next year.
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(12-22-2018, 11:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries

Seems fair, as long as the president's salary also get zeroed out.
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(12-23-2018, 06:29 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-22-2018, 11:59 PM)B2hibry Wrote: Crap, she actually had a coherent thought and voiced it. Although it would take massaging the current law.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ocasio2018/st...l-salaries

Seems fair, as long as the president's salary also get zeroed out.

The current one doesn't take it anyway.
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(12-23-2018, 06:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: The current one doesn't take it anyway.

The last President who actually needed that paycheck was Eisenhower, and if that doesn't bother you, you're not paying enough attention.
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(12-23-2018, 11:34 PM)TJBender Wrote:
(12-23-2018, 06:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: The current one doesn't take it anyway.

The last President who actually needed that paycheck was Eisenhower, and if that doesn't bother you, you're not paying enough attention.

I'm guessing they didn't have post presidential 6 figure speaking fees to count on back in those days either.
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