(08-09-2018, 07:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(08-09-2018, 05:39 PM)mikesez Wrote: Didn't you say that you don't believe in virtue?
Didn't you say that freedom means you get to do whatever you want even murder?
Don't you believe in Freedom?!

Yes, virtue is subjective.
Yes, that is what freedom means. It has no moral standard, merely the lack of restraint.
Indeed, but you struggle with the difference between freedom and liberty.

They are exactly the same thing, to me.  Freedom from the German "freiheit" and liberty from the French "liberte". For me they both imply that no one stops you from doing what is good, and no new taxes or laws are made without all of the public getting a chance to meaningfully influence the process.

So what does "liberty" mean to you?

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