(11-21-2018, 10:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(11-21-2018, 08:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: It's been a while. 
maybe I don't really have a reply to that.

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So you've made a problem statement.
The conversation can end here, or you can try to explain why the problem happened (why African Americans and not also poor whites for instance), or you can propose a solution.
You're kind of leaving me hanging.

Typical lefty trying obligate me to solve the problems he created.

I said the conversation could end here.

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(11-21-2018, 10:28 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:

(11-21-2018, 08:14 PM)mikesez Wrote:

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So you've made a problem statement.
The conversation can end here, or you can try to explain why the problem happened (why African Americans and not also poor whites for instance), or you can propose a solution.
You're kind of leaving me hanging.

I feel like that's a simple answer.

Welfare.

In 1965, black families had only 25% of children out-of-wedlock. In 2011, that number is 72% of children. The Great Society programs, for example, incentivized poverty and made being jobless and unmarried more lucrative. In the 1960s, black Americans faced discrimination and a constant uphill battle in almost every part of their lives. They were afforded an immediate opportunity to gain some sort of financial relief. Who would blame them for gaming the system then? However, over time, this marriage-less and fatherless system became deeply embedded within their community. This, in my opinion, contributed to the downfall of black families. 

From the very moment the Great Society programs are enacted, the rate of out-of-wedlock and unmarried black families plummeted.

If it's welfare, are the 1996 reforms to welfare fixing the problem, or not?

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(11-21-2018, 08:29 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(11-21-2018, 08:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: It's been a while. 
maybe I don't really have a reply to that.

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So you've made a problem statement.
The conversation can end here, or you can try to explain why the problem happened (why African Americans and not also poor whites for instance), or you can propose a solution.
You're kind of leaving me hanging.

The problem happens with poor whites too. It is more significant with African American males because the percentage who are poor is much higher. The current welfare system encourages single motherhood because the benefits either disappear or are seriously curtailed if the mother is married. A lack of marriage means no legal responsibility for the male, making it much easier for an unmarried father to abandon his family.

I've seen it happen where a couple that had a kid together avoided marriage for a while so the mother could collect some government benefit.  And that's just the one case where they admitted it.
I mean I think it's outrageous too but how can you change the law to discourage that without making matters worse?

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