(01-12-2019, 05:49 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(01-12-2019, 04:49 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He understands it, he just doesn't favor it.

I actually do favor it.
Even the writers of helvering vs Davis and the current set of liberals on the bench would claim that they still believe in finite enumerated powers.
but in practice we know that they will take the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause and use them to justify anything Congress proposes that has anything to do with private citizens moving their money around.
But I also favor social Security. 
If we could turn back time, it would have been better for FDR to have called for amending the Constitution to get the programs he was looking for. At least that way the document would make more sense vis our modern government.  He had like 3/4 of each house of Congress he just wasn't patient apparently.
I don't know what the prospects were at the level of the state legislatures, but if they were the ones actually stopping the show, shame on them. 
Back then most state legislatures did not operate on a one-person one-vote basis.

Pick one...  

1.) Social security is the basic definition of tyranny.  It fundamentally exceeds the enumerated powers of the constitution to impose an old age insurance scheme from the relics of 19th century German State theory to save hundreds of millions of people from participating in the safest most advanced financial system in the history of all mankind.  Every American that has contributed a single penny to this farce should get a monthly note of apology from the United States Treasury.  

2.) The only reason that the system continues is because a functional majority of the country is financially illiterate.  60% of the country actually believes that the system includes a private account with real money.  Even more than that think that its some kind of retirement program.  IT's not.  From an actuarial standpoint, old age insurance is only for those that have worked so long that their age in and of itself prevents them from the possibility of economic endeavor, not a planned break from work.  The system was designed so that only 5% would ever draw from it, at current rates 95% will eventually draw from the system.  It was designed based on a ratio of 1 beneficiary to 16 contributors, that ratio has fallen to 3 to 1 and headed steeply for 2 to 1.  

3.) The structure of payroll taxes has incalculable negative impacts not only on employers hiring, but otherwise qualified entrepreneurial people staying in the employment market instead of becoming Self Employed or small business owners because of the sticker shock of self employment taxes.  

4.) I still don't understand how progressive ideas can be so immune to even the most basic scrutiny.  Never mind the incestuous relationship between progressives of that time and the emerging fascist dictatorships in Europe (Including but not limited to the love affair between FDR and Mussalini) Nevermind the fact that its passage was traded for anti-lynching legislation, nevermind that it may very well be the most regressive form of taxation in the entire 72k of the federal tax code.  BASIC MATH PROVES that the returns of participation in the free market dwarf social security payments.  And the cost of all that lost wealth is a one way ticket to insolvency because the actuarial structure of OLD AGE INSURNACE doesn't jive with the political reality of entitlement reform.  

But don't worry folks.  These are the same people that are taking over your Healthcare.  Don't worry about dying in a waiting line, don't worry about poor quality of care, don't worry about shortages of drugs and medical supplies, at some point someone had a show vote to take your right to private economic transactions away so that makes it okay!  #NOTADEMOCRACY

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