(10-30-2018, 02:46 PM)The Drifter Wrote: I just posted the Authors intent, it's up for debate what is a US Citizen

Being of a foreign diplomat is one things, but the author even specifies that *the person in question* must be an immigrant or alien, not their parents. Someone born on US soil has not, at any point in their lives, been an alien or immigrant, therefore they are a citizen by birth. This isn't a question of settled law. It's written in the damn Constitution, and a President attempting to circumvent the Constitution by way of executive order then acting upon that unconstitutional order is impeachable, hopefully imprisonable and/or deportable.

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(10-30-2018, 03:07 PM)B2hibry Wrote:

(10-30-2018, 01:46 PM)TJBender Wrote: There's nothing murky about it. It's been understood and taught since long before i was in school that if you're born in the United States, you are a citizen of the United States. This is not rocket science, and it's only on the table because Trump is trying really hard to become a dictator. If you want to change the Constitution, you amend it. Allowing the Constitution to be changed based on the whims of the President in power is the sort of precedent you'd expect to see out of Russia or North Korea, not the United States.

Says you. Immigration has a ton of grey area which is why there has been so much round and round about it. The last few Presidents have pushed to test the true intent and limitations, not just this one. To amend it, don't you think it needs to be tabled, tested, and defined prior to? How would you even know what needs to be adjusted or redifined? Once again, your bias is showing. Pretend like this is Obama, Bush, or Clinton and look objectively. There is an issue and has been an issue with the immigration system. As someone that has traveled the world, it amazes me how swiss cheese-like our system really is compared to most others.

This is beyond immigration. About it, yes, but the implications are far beyond it. This is a sitting President attempting to open a loophole that allows the executive branch to rewrite the Constitution, a power explicitly reserved to Congress and the states. I'm surprised some on this board aren't screaming about that, but it's an action taken by their orange crush to stop their imaginary brown bogeyman, so they're cool with it.

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