(11-19-2018, 09:47 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(11-19-2018, 01:08 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: Are you still living in 1980? Circumstances have greatly changed. 

Mexicans can find employment in Mexico, that was not true in 1980.

The US did pass a comprehensive immigration reform under Reagan. It failed, and became a blanket amnesty, the enforcement side being totally ignored. Conservatism does not require one to be fooled twice.

In 1980 the illegals were coming to find jobs and become American citizens. Now more than 50% are coming to get US welfare while still holding 
allegiance to their original countries. There are a much higher percentage of criminals among them. Do you really believe that Reagan and Bush would welcome this batch?

Reagan also spoke of the concern of Mexico being another Cuba, and a satellite of the Soviet Union. That was a huge concern in 1980, but is inapplicable now.

There were and still are debates about trade deals. The bottom line is that Trump has been fixing bad deals made by previous administrations. Apparently you don't like that, and prefer that other countries get more favorable terms.

I wasn't even born in 1980.  I'm not going to debate that circumstances have changed since 1980; they may have changed even more than you're accounting for.

In 1980, school districts in Texas, representing Texas voters and tax payers, were at that moment arguing their way up to the Supreme Court that they should be able to keep children of illegal immigrants out of school.  And California and Arizona both were going to pass a state amendment that illegal immigrants shouldn't get services from the state. 

It would have been very easy for Reagan or Bush to stake out an angry, aggressive position on the issue.  They would have gotten a lot of support.  Instead they both asked their supporters to think about the common humanity of Mexicans.  They both asked their supporters to think long term, about what the future would look like if a sub class of children grew up with no education.


But what hasn't changed is that illegal immigrants and their children are still equally human as us, with the same dignity.  What hasn't changed is that how we treat them says more about us than it does about them.

While Trump's rhetoric hasn't touched on public schools, yet, he has said that we should discriminate between immigrants on the basis of religion, and that we should separate parents from children.  These are equally offensive to their value as humans and ours.