(11-19-2018, 04:30 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(11-19-2018, 12:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: The bold text there is totally wrong.  Most of the people we're talking about are crossing at posted locations and telling the police there that they intend to claim asylum as refugees.  There is nothing illegal about that.  And even if it was illegal we would then have to ask, like Augustine or MLK Jr., if the law was just.
Anyhow, after they cross, legal proceedings begin to find out if they are legitimately refugees or not.  We count the number of people who cross in this circumstance, and find out their names and where they intend to stay.  We give them court dates.  The vast majority keep their court dates.  They don't get money from the government unless they present enough evidence to the judges that they really are refugees.  Less than 40,000 people per year are granted this status.  It's a drop in the bucket.  It's not a significant amount of money in the end.  It's such a small number for the reasons you cite: many of them realize that they'll fit in better and have more success in places like Mexico.

I'm not actually a leftist, so if you want to blame Obama or Clinton for requiring families to be separated while these legal procedures go through, I'm not going to argue with you.  Even if you're right about that, though, I still blame Trump for continuing it.  Tu quoque is a fallacy.

Regarding the first part in bold, you most certainly are wrong about that.  They don't cross at "posted locations" and stay as far away from police as they can.  I've seen and witnessed it first hand.

Regarding the second part in bold, specifically the part in red.  I would love to see your source for that information.

I think you are confused regarding people that actually immigrate here legally vs. the illegal aliens that we have coming over the border every day.  It doesn't really surprise me that a millennial like yourself is so easily confused.

Different people do different things at different times.
Let's try to be clear.
I only brought this up in the context of family separation.
The vast majority of the families that came across the border as a unit and were later separated, did so at a legal point of entry, and sought out the authorities.  They are given an opportunity to prove that they should be considered refugees.  If they are able to prove it, no law was broken.

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