(01-11-2019, 08:32 AM)Last42min Wrote: Now you are begging the question. Let me rephrase so you can see it: Direct elections are fairer than the EC, because what could be more equitable than one person one vote. Do you see how this is unacceptable?

It should be apparent why your rules change example is flawed, but I'm not going to follow you down that rabbit hole. That whole analogy is ridiculous. Stick to the topic.

The two reasons are overlapping, but distinguishable. To avoid majority rule (which you have yet to address), and to create electorates who were accountable to the people that would shut down demagogues. The former is working as intended, the latter isn't.

I have no idea what you're talking about in your last two paragraphs. Was that a thing? Was anyone discussing that? Did you just want to quote something you found on the internet? Stick to the topic.

I didn't beg the question, I asked it.  If you know of a principle that is more equitable than "one person one vote," I invited you to tell me what it is.

"Avoid majority rule" ... That's what you want? Why?
Bush 43 won a majority in 2004.  That was bad?  Majorities are bad?  Which Federalist paper says that?
I "have yet to address" this point because I don't understand it.

"create electorates who were accountable to the people that would shut down demagogues..." This is just the Federalist 68 argument rephrased right? The one where it never worked that way?  Do you think the electoral college somehow frustrates or prevents demagogues today? I don't.

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(01-11-2019, 08:38 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: It's funny that Mikey doesn't recognize that NFL teams are more akin to the States than the People, placing him squarely on the opposite of what he thinks he's supporting. He talks so many circles that every road eventually goes the same direction.

The NFL teams could be understood as states in a union, or as members of Congress.  They meet and they each have one vote, then they go out and compete with each other.  And then they meet and vote again. They are not like ordinary people, and my metaphor doesn't presume that they are.

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