It is going to get really interesting when the media needs to make that decision to get behind Sanders as the Democrat nominee. They literally made the bed they will have to sleep in and it is hilarious to watch.

The mask is gonna come off on a lot of liberals when they decide to vote for Trump over Bernie

As much as I want it to, I still dont think the Bernie thing can happen. It would be the end of the Democratic party forever. There are some very powerful forces involved that I think will inevitably prevent this from happening. It all but guarantees a Trump victory,  but at this point it's more about salvaging the party

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It is going to get really interesting when the media needs to make that decision to get behind Sanders as the Democrat nominee. They literally made the bed they will have to sleep in and it is hilarious to watch.

The mask is gonna come off on a lot of liberals when they decide to vote for Trump over Bernie

No, they just won't vote.

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The mask is gonna come off on a lot of liberals when they decide to vote for Trump over Bernie

As much as I want it to, I still dont think the Bernie thing can happen. It would be the end of the Democratic party forever. There are some very powerful forces involved that I think will inevitably prevent this from happening. It all but guarantees a Trump victory,  but at this point it's more about salvaging the party

Bernie didn't have enough cachet last time to avoid being publicly shouldered out of the way. Now, unless they can frame him in some sort of sordid intrigue, it will have to be a very public hit job. The longer they wait, the more difficult it will be. There's always the chance that he will not fair so well in succeeding primaries, but TDS has gripped the dems hard. What Bernie offers is diametrically opposed to everything Trump stands for, and that's exactly what they want. The left is no longer thinking about policy, but only hating Trump. Look at the political commercials for all the candidates, they promise nothing but "beating Trump". It has become the party of blinding, unreasonable hate.

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If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

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If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

It's fine with me, difference being this time those candidates truly can't win, so better for all of us that the Dems destroy their party and still lose the election.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

With two glaring exceptions: Trump was a complete political outsider while Bernie is a lifelong governmental bureaucrat who has never generated a single job or penny of wealth in his life. Yeah, yeah, we can count his book that was most likely bought in truckloads by PACs (and a generous advance) to bolster his bottom line and credibility.  

The other is Trump went on to election victory because he challenged the crooked and incestuous leftist cabal between the deep state government and media - a challenge that a huge number of voters in this country agree with. He didn't play by their established rules, and still doesn't. Bernie's ideas are considered radical by many moderate liberals. Do they completely disagree with his basic principles? Nope, but Bernie committed another sin by openly stating, and running, on the ultimate goal. Bernie is just a lesser cog in the Democrat machine.

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If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

It's fine with me, difference being this time those candidates truly can't win, so better for all of us that the Dems destroy their party and still lose the election.

Never say never.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

With two glaring exceptions: Trump was a complete political outsider while Bernie is a lifelong governmental bureaucrat who has never generated a single job or penny of wealth in his life. Yeah, yeah, we can count his book that was most likely bought in truckloads by PACs (and a generous advance) to bolster his bottom line and credibility.  

The other is Trump went on to election victory because he challenged the crooked and incestuous leftist cabal between the deep state government and media - a challenge that a huge number of voters in this country agree with. He didn't play by their established rules, and still doesn't. Bernie's ideas are considered radical by many moderate liberals. Do they completely disagree with his basic principles? Nope, but Bernie committed another sin by openly stating, and running, on the ultimate goal. Bernie is just a lesser cog in the Democrat machine.

Trump the anti deep state government candidate who has been super close with the Clintons, Epstein and all the other big deep state government players over the last 20 years. But hell yeah rise against the machine Donald

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With two glaring exceptions: Trump was a complete political outsider while Bernie is a lifelong governmental bureaucrat who has never generated a single job or penny of wealth in his life. Yeah, yeah, we can count his book that was most likely bought in truckloads by PACs (and a generous advance) to bolster his bottom line and credibility.  

The other is Trump went on to election victory because he challenged the crooked and incestuous leftist cabal between the deep state government and media - a challenge that a huge number of voters in this country agree with. He didn't play by their established rules, and still doesn't. Bernie's ideas are considered radical by many moderate liberals. Do they completely disagree with his basic principles? Nope, but Bernie committed another sin by openly stating, and running, on the ultimate goal. Bernie is just a lesser cog in the Democrat machine.

Trump the anti deep state government candidate who has been super close with the Clintons, Epstein and all the other big deep state government players over the last 20 years. But hell yeah rise against the machine Donald

Trump shmoozed the Clintons as a wealthy donor, like many other billionaires, to gain political favor. It’s what they do.

In all the years of investigation that was commissioned by the dems against Trump since he’s been in office, not one scintilla of information was uncovered that showed Trump was acquainted with Epstein beyond the wealthy circles they ran in. 

Any attempt to equate Trump’s associations as a private citizens to the craven chicanery we’ve see from the left in the past 3 and a half years would be deeply flawed. But you go.

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If we get to watch the elite mouthpieces get shoved aside by Democratic Party voters four years after the voters shoved aside Republican party elites, picking a candidate that supposedly couldn't win, that would be poetic justice.

With two glaring exceptions: Trump was a complete political outsider while Bernie is a lifelong governmental bureaucrat who has never generated a single job or penny of wealth in his life. Yeah, yeah, we can count his book that was most likely bought in truckloads by PACs (and a generous advance) to bolster his bottom line and credibility.  

The other is Trump went on to election victory because he challenged the crooked and incestuous leftist cabal between the deep state government and media - a challenge that a huge number of voters in this country agree with. He didn't play by their established rules, and still doesn't. Bernie's ideas are considered radical by many moderate liberals. Do they completely disagree with his basic principles? Nope, but Bernie committed another sin by openly stating, and running, on the ultimate goal. Bernie is just a lesser cog in the Democrat machine.

To me the biggest difference is that the Republicans made it possible get a majority of delegates without getting a majority of voters. Trump only got 45% of the votes in the 50 Republican primary elections, but he controlled the convention outright without needing other candidates to endorse him. 
If Bernie only has 45% of the vote, and none of the other candidates decide to throw their support to him, it will be a brokered convention.
Bernie's path to the nomination is harder than Trump's was.
I agree that Trump has owned many different businesses, and Bernie has owned none, but I don't think that matters much. This country has tens of thousands of landlords and hundreds if not thousands of golf courses, but it only has 100 senators.
And I don't think Bernie is part of any liberal media cabal. For instance, the media is making a big deal about Bernie's comments regarding Cuba. That's fair enough, but Obama said the same kind of stuff about Cuba, and the media did not make a big deal about it.  To the extent that the liberal media plays favorites, Bernie has never been one of their favorites.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Trump the anti deep state government candidate who has been super close with the Clintons, Epstein and all the other big deep state government players over the last 20 years. But hell yeah rise against the machine Donald

Trump shmoozed the Clintons as a wealthy donor, like many other billionaires, to gain political favor. It’s what they do.

In all the years of investigation that was commissioned by the dems against Trump since he’s been in office, not one scintilla of information was uncovered that showed Trump was acquainted with Epstein beyond the wealthy circles they ran in. 

Any attempt to equate Trump’s associations as a private citizens to the craven chicanery we’ve see from the left in the past 3 and a half years would be deeply flawed. But you go.

Trump himself said Epstein is so terrific guy and a lot of fun to be with.  In 2002 he said he'd known him for 15 years and their friendship started in 80s.

Multiple instances of Trump and Epstein hanging out , trumps contact and emergency contacts in Epstein's blackbook etc etc 

And it doesn't have to be one side of the other. Both are bad! Just funny how Trump fans think he's some kind of rebel inside the system vs just someone who was directly inside the most powerful system of all and spent lots of times around all the silent powerbrokers in American politics

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Trump shmoozed the Clintons as a wealthy donor, like many other billionaires, to gain political favor. It’s what they do.

In all the years of investigation that was commissioned by the dems against Trump since he’s been in office, not one scintilla of information was uncovered that showed Trump was acquainted with Epstein beyond the wealthy circles they ran in. 

Any attempt to equate Trump’s associations as a private citizens to the craven chicanery we’ve see from the left in the past 3 and a half years would be deeply flawed. But you go.

Trump himself said Epstein is so terrific guy and a lot of fun to be with.  In 2002 he said he'd known him for 15 years and their friendship started in 80s.

Multiple instances of Trump and Epstein hanging out , trumps contact and emergency contacts in Epstein's blackbook etc etc 

And it doesn't have to be one side of the other. Both are bad! Just funny how Trump fans think he's some kind of rebel inside the system vs just someone who was directly inside the most powerful system of all and spent lots of times around all the silent powerbrokers in American politics

Now do Weinstein....

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Trump shmoozed the Clintons as a wealthy donor, like many other billionaires, to gain political favor. It’s what they do.

In all the years of investigation that was commissioned by the dems against Trump since he’s been in office, not one scintilla of information was uncovered that showed Trump was acquainted with Epstein beyond the wealthy circles they ran in. 

Any attempt to equate Trump’s associations as a private citizens to the craven chicanery we’ve see from the left in the past 3 and a half years would be deeply flawed. But you go.

Trump himself said Epstein is so terrific guy and a lot of fun to be with.  In 2002 he said he'd known him for 15 years and their friendship started in 80s.

Multiple instances of Trump and Epstein hanging out , trumps contact and emergency contacts in Epstein's blackbook etc etc 

And it doesn't have to be one side of the other. Both are bad! Just funny how Trump fans think he's some kind of rebel inside the system vs just someone who was directly inside the most powerful system of all and spent lots of times around all the silent powerbrokers in American politics

Really? You want to pull the Epstein card? The guy who catered for years to the sexual whims of the husband of the Democrat candidate of President of the United States? (You know, the guy who was the subject of a painting inside Epstein’s love mansion.) The same party that then subverted their own government in a years long, and unsuccessful, retribution campaign? 

You’re flailing like an Adam Schiff air dancer. Any attempt to equate Trump’s pre-election anglings to the subterfuge we’ve witnessed since 2016 is preposterously laughable.

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South Carolina primary is Saturday and Super Tuesday is 1 week from today.

It will be interesting to see which candidates drop out before Super Tuesday, since there is no compelling reason for any of them to quit before the biggest delegate grab of the primary season.

But they are being pressured by Bloomberg and other party leaders (Hillary) to drop out before Super Tuesday.

The big thing is, the Dems are afraid Bernie might be the only one to get 15% or more votes if the field is fractured.

In many Super Tuesday states, no delegates are awarded if you don't get 15%. Bernie could win them all.

So they want Biden, Pete, Amy, Steyer to drop out so Bloomberg can get more than 15%.

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Trump himself said Epstein is so terrific guy and a lot of fun to be with.  In 2002 he said he'd known him for 15 years and their friendship started in 80s.

Multiple instances of Trump and Epstein hanging out , trumps contact and emergency contacts in Epstein's blackbook etc etc 

And it doesn't have to be one side of the other. Both are bad! Just funny how Trump fans think he's some kind of rebel inside the system vs just someone who was directly inside the most powerful system of all and spent lots of times around all the silent powerbrokers in American politics

Really? You want to pull the Epstein card? The guy who catered for years to the sexual whims of the husband of the Democrat candidate of President of the United States? (You know, the guy who was the subject of a painting inside Epstein’s love mansion.) The same party that then subverted their own government in a years long, and unsuccessful, retribution campaign? 

You’re flailing like an Adam Schiff air dancer. Any attempt to equate Trump’s pre-election anglings to the subterfuge we’ve witnessed since 2016 is preposterously laughable.

You forget I think the Democrats are terrible too so none of the standard deflection works. 

And no, what I'm saying is it's hilarious Trump fans think he isn't cut from the same cloth as all of the other rich and powerful deep staters. Like the whole "drain the swamp" movement made trump fans actually think they were removing corruption and those kinds of people from the white house, when in reality it was the same old same old

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Trump himself said Epstein is so terrific guy and a lot of fun to be with.  In 2002 he said he'd known him for 15 years and their friendship started in 80s.

Multiple instances of Trump and Epstein hanging out , trumps contact and emergency contacts in Epstein's blackbook etc etc 

And it doesn't have to be one side of the other. Both are bad! Just funny how Trump fans think he's some kind of rebel inside the system vs just someone who was directly inside the most powerful system of all and spent lots of times around all the silent powerbrokers in American politics

Now do Weinstein....

Lets! Weinstein is a horrible man and so is the entire Clinton family , all evil criminals. 

You were saying?

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The pre-election rhetoric surrounding Bernie reminds me a lot of the pre-election rhetoric surrounding Trump in 2016.

My point being: Dems and pollsters thought that Hillary would win in a landslide against a "gameshow host." That seems to be the same thought now: Pubs & pollsters think Trump would win in a landslide against a "socialist."

My point also being: Unless the GOP (and, tongue-in-cheek, Russia) are successful in turning Dems on one another and ultimately minimizing voter turnout, Trump might have a surprisingly difficult November 3rd.

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I'll play you in ping pong. 

Really? You want to pull the Epstein card? The guy who catered for years to the sexual whims of the husband of the Democrat candidate of President of the United States? (You know, the guy who was the subject of a painting inside Epstein’s love mansion.) The same party that then subverted their own government in a years long, and unsuccessful, retribution campaign? 

You’re flailing like an Adam Schiff air dancer. Any attempt to equate Trump’s pre-election anglings to the subterfuge we’ve witnessed since 2016 is preposterously laughable.

You forget I think the Democrats are terrible too so none of the standard deflection works. 

And no, what I'm saying is it's hilarious Trump fans think he isn't cut from the same cloth as all of the other rich and powerful deep staters. Like the whole "drain the swamp" movement made trump fans actually think they were removing corruption and those kinds of people from the white house, when in reality it was the same old same old

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Now do Weinstein....

Lets! Weinstein is a horrible man and so is the entire Clinton family , all evil criminals. 

You were saying?

Question: Are you saying that corruption and the deep state has not been exposed since Trump took office?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

You forget I think the Democrats are terrible too so none of the standard deflection works. 

And no, what I'm saying is it's hilarious Trump fans think he isn't cut from the same cloth as all of the other rich and powerful deep staters. Like the whole "drain the swamp" movement made trump fans actually think they were removing corruption and those kinds of people from the white house, when in reality it was the same old same old

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Lets! Weinstein is a horrible man and so is the entire Clinton family , all evil criminals. 

You were saying?

Question: Are you saying that corruption and the deep state has not been exposed since Trump took office?

Corruption is a hall mark of governments functions in most countries and absolutely nothing has changed with the Trump administration in that regard. 

Also I'm not sure if deep state has lost all meaning or if people just want to pick and choose when it suits them for something to be deep state or not

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The pre-election rhetoric surrounding Bernie reminds me a lot of the pre-election rhetoric surrounding Trump in 2016.

My point being: Dems and pollsters thought that Hillary would win in a landslide against a "gameshow host." That seems to be the same thought now: Pubs & pollsters think Trump would win in a landslide against a "socialist."

My point also being: Unless the GOP (and, tongue-in-cheek, Russia) are successful in turning Dems on one another and ultimately minimizing voter turnout, Trump might have a surprisingly difficult November 3rd.

My Demoncrat family members have flat out said that if Biden isn't the candidate then they aren't voting, all the rest of those candidates are crazy people. I try to tell them Biden's cut from the same cloth, but they don't buy it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

With two glaring exceptions: Trump was a complete political outsider while Bernie is a lifelong governmental bureaucrat who has never generated a single job or penny of wealth in his life. Yeah, yeah, we can count his book that was most likely bought in truckloads by PACs (and a generous advance) to bolster his bottom line and credibility.  

The other is Trump went on to election victory because he challenged the crooked and incestuous leftist cabal between the deep state government and media - a challenge that a huge number of voters in this country agree with. He didn't play by their established rules, and still doesn't. Bernie's ideas are considered radical by many moderate liberals. Do they completely disagree with his basic principles? Nope, but Bernie committed another sin by openly stating, and running, on the ultimate goal. Bernie is just a lesser cog in the Democrat machine.

To me the biggest difference is that the Republicans made it possible get a majority of delegates without getting a majority of voters. Trump only got 45% of the votes in the 50 Republican primary elections, but he controlled the convention outright without needing other candidates to endorse him. 
If Bernie only has 45% of the vote, and none of the other candidates decide to throw their support to him, it will be a brokered convention.
Bernie's path to the nomination is harder than Trump's was.
I agree that Trump has owned many different businesses, and Bernie has owned none, but I don't think that matters much. This country has tens of thousands of landlords and hundreds if not thousands of golf courses, but it only has 100 senators.
And I don't think Bernie is part of any liberal media cabal. For instance, the media is making a big deal about Bernie's comments regarding Cuba. That's fair enough, but Obama said the same kind of stuff about Cuba, and the media did not make a big deal about it.  To the extent that the liberal media plays favorites, Bernie has never been one of their favorites.

Now maybe. But nothing of the sort back in 2016. Bernie has been given a pass by the media up until he became viewed as an actual possibility.

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