(03-08-2020, 01:45 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote:

(03-08-2020, 08:31 AM)mikesez Wrote: Of course I noted that phrase, but that's not what I was responding to. I had no problem with Marty's post. Handsome Rob change that phrase. And 42 minutes was also trying to push a similar thought. Blame it on only Democrats.  Blame it on only progressives. That's when I jumped in. In order to take the timeline of understanding back far enough to the founding of the Democratic Party, you have to realize that people weren't merely racist back then. They actually held slaves.

So your rebuttal of democrats defending slavery since their inception is.... there were slave owners prior to the Democrats? Of course there were, neoliberals progressives have always had/wanted slaves. The democrat party was started by an well known slave owner according to you, Thomas Jefferson. They have always been for slavery.

(03-08-2020, 04:15 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(03-08-2020, 01:39 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: I didn't use the words "Republican" or "Democrat," and that is because the parties have switched sides on the subject of identity politics.  What I was saying was that identity politics in the United States originated with conservative white people.  Liberals have adopted it, starting around the 1970s, and that is reprehensible, but it didn't originate with them.  Liberals used to be in favor of things like having a "color-blind society," for example.  "Content of their character, not color of their skin" for example, was rhetoric that came from liberals.  Identity politics, rooted in racism, was part of the conservative philosophy.  It is ironic that conservatives and liberals now seem to have flipped on the issue of identity politics.  


Identity politics is bad, but I was just pointing out, it did not originate with liberals.  It originated with racist white conservatives who wanted to maintain the advantages they had in life, and exclude people of other races from full equality.

The terms liberal and conservative you are using do not accurately describe what happened in the early to mid 1900s, probably because the term "liberal" got turned around to mean Progressive, rather than supporting freedom with limited government like it originally meant, and "conservative" is now being used to describe everyone the Progressives dislike. True the 1960s version "liberals" wanted a color-blind society. The segregationist Democrat South was not Conservative, but they were progressives who supported the New Deal and opposed a color-blind society. It was lot more complicated than "liberal" vs. "conservative."