(04-10-2019, 11:17 AM)mikesez Wrote:

(04-10-2019, 09:03 AM)B2hibry Wrote: You some how interpret the POTUS gave orders to CBP officers through hopscotch of weird interpretation and opinion but you refuse to believe that the Dems are the party of open borders if not by actual direction but by actions such as sanctuary laws, illegal immigrant housing, drivers licenses, legal services, health care, education, illegal immigrant financial support, etc? Come on man!

Each of the actions you attribute to Democrats were taken at the state or local level.
State and local level can't change border policy or work visa policy.
Saying, "now that you're here and paying sales and property taxes, I will offer these services to you" is probably not wise, but it doesn't necessarily imply, "I wanted you to come and I want everyone to come."

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(04-10-2019, 10:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: AND, one of the major Presidential candidates saying he wants to tear down the wall between El Paso and Mexico.

Tearing down a wall also doesn't necessarily translate to an open border policy.

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(04-10-2019, 08:51 AM)B2hibry Wrote: No matter how many times you play the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, the President is not her boss. They are both part of the Executive branch. Think of it as an old school board of directors. Anyways, per the Constitution, he selects heads to support the varied departments and they can volunteer their service to the department. They are then either confirmed or rejected by the Senate. They are at-will advisors to the POTUS. At least you are comprehending one part...the Secretaries function in their capacity per the law bestowed by the legislative branch. The President doesn't demand reports, it is a written duty of the cabinet (you know, the ADVISORY body). If the POTUS was their boss, why Senate confirmation? Why function specific to law and not just wait until the POTUS tells them to jump? Test your understanding with this one question...What is Congressional Oversight?

Everything else you're throwing out there is your opinionated misunderstanding. There was no order lawful or otherwise. There can't be. Nielsen wasn't fired. There are no and will be no direct commands from the POTUS to front lines as you put it. I'm glad you used the term "front lines" though because that is a good military term that appears to describe this immigration event accurately. CBP officers have a duty to protect our borders and act in good faith regardless of what comes out of the Presidents mouth. They swore an oath...

"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Those that have taken this oath and similar have the capacity to understand that they are not doing a job on behalf of any political figure. As a civilian, you may be blinded by their shiny, elitist positions but to these folks they are just figureheads. Members will lawfully function within their capacity as a service to the United States and Constitution, not some figure head. There is no such thing as brainless blind loyalty or subjugation in CBP, the military, or any other oath of service position. Hence, federal retribution and whistleblower protections.

Simple reiteration: No. There can be no direct legal or illegal orders given as the system of government does not support or allow.

I think the gap in our understanding boils down to, I say Trump demanded the resignation, you say it was freely offered.
Let's leave that aside.
Does the President have the authority to fire the DHS secretary for any reason or no reason?

Resignation letter: https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/...index.html

Your reading comprehension is severly lacking. I will say again...the Secretary of DHS is an at-will employee. When applicable, this means they can be let go for both any reason or for no reasonat all. They may also be impeached (more of that pesky congressional oversight). In addition, they can walk at anytime. She was not hired nor was she fired by the POTUS. You seem to wrongly equate hiring and firing as boss specific. Not the case in government and nearly equally reflected in the business world.

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