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MalabarJag · 04-25-2019, 07:56 PM

(04-25-2019, 07:22 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(04-25-2019, 05:35 PM)jj82284 Wrote: 2 pages in. Still no explanation from the alarmist wing why increase in surface temp usually happens prior to co2.

I strongly doubt that we have ways to measure past surface temperatures and past CO2 levels with enough precision to conclusively say that the one happened a few years before the other, when both events were tens or hundreds of thousands of years in the past.

And even if we did have that data, we would have no way to know if there had been variations in solar output during those years.

When you store atmospheric gas in a clear bottle that's left out in the sun, and add more CO2 to the mixture, the mixture has a higher equilibrium temperature than it did before the co2 was added.

Of course the minerals on the Earth's surface, the oceans, the clouds, and all the different forms of plant and algae life that can emerge all play a role in what actually happens when CO2 is increased.

but the experiment we can do with a bottle clearly teaches us that an increase in temperature is what we should expect.

Are you referring to the Experiment Bill Nye faked LINK? That was done indoors.

Adding CO2 to a clear glass bottle will, in theory, increase the temperature a microscopic fraction of a degree, but we don't have an accurate way to measure that small of a temperature change. Just getting close enough to look at it will result in a temperature difference much greater than anything CO2 could do. And CO2 absorption is in the mid IR, it's insignificant to visible sunlight.

EDIT: The measurements that show temperature leads CO2 are from ice cores. There is a clear correspondence between CO2 levels and O18 levels (O18 is considered a proxy for temperature), with a time lag for CO2 after the temperature. If you wish to question the validity of the proxy I can't argue with that.

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