(06-19-2019, 11:30 PM)mikesez Wrote: (06-19-2019, 10:45 PM)B2hibry Wrote: You sound really confused.
Regime change to isolationism to civil war is good to the US supports dictators. Now reactionary is preferred over being proactive. And your right back to the belief that having no workable foreign policy works.
Received any post cards from Syria or Yemen lately that are praising civil war? How about all those dictators the US props up? The US just loves a good dictator...HANGING around.
You keep hearing stuff I am not saying.
Isolationism would be leaving Japan and Poland to their own devices. That would be bad. China and Japan might fight a pointless war, while Russia would devour Poland again.
But, leaving Saudi to its own devices would be good. Whatever emerges from the dust there will have more legitimacy than what's there now.
I try to decide case by case.
As far as being "reactionary" vs "proactive," this is a false dichotomy. All countries should be proactive in terms of having men and materials and plans in place for most foreseeable circumstances - even in a threatening posture. But starting a war is indefensible. Finish the war. Don't start it.
As for the current civil wars, they are both proxy battles between greater powers, and these greater powers are paying little heed to what the people actually native to Yemen and Syria want. Russia and Iran are both participating solely to maintain these countries as bases to launch future attacks against other enemies. Civil wars are always bad. But they are sometimes the least bad thing.
As for regime change, it should be initiated from within the given country. When we jump in and make the first move, it ends poorly.
Leaving Saudi to it's own devices means they would become under the influence of countries like China and Russia.
Like I said before, they are the third largest military spender in the world. Abandoning the Saudis would give their 60+ million dollar spending budget to the Chinese or Russians which would draw them under their influence.
The Chinese and Russians are known for murdering millions of their own people. Leaving the Saudis under their influence will not decrease their humanitarian record, rather they would be supported by countries that proactively support repression on an industrial scale.
Leaving the Saudis won't help their humanitarian record, they would actually find support and influence from the two countries who are masters of murder and repression of their people.
Instead of hurting the Saudis, they would just still get their military supplies and also learn the art of repression from the two countries who have mastered it.
