(07-11-2019, 04:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote:

(07-11-2019, 04:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: OK.
Yes, there were monetary causes of the war.
There were many causes.
But the colonists did not demand zero taxation.
They did not argue that taxation was theft.
They demanded representation.
Which currencies would be acceptable for paying taxes was also in dispute. The colonists wanted their paper money to always be acceptable.
The British wanted taxes paid in gold and silver.
Then the British went further, saying the colonies could no longer even print their own money.

I agree that this last insult may have hurt the most.

But none of this proves any point about if taxation is theft.

What it does prove is that the colonists preferred fiat currency.  Too many right wingers today forget this.

Taxation isn't theft.
Money is created by governments.  Money can be made sound by gold, but social consensus within an economy that produces things that other countries want to buy is better than gold at this task.

Basic principles. Forget them, and you won't be able to make sense of the world.

Today's money is not created by the Government. Today's money is created by the Federal Reserve which is then loaned out to the Government with interest due back in time. It's a never ending cycle that we've all had to pay for since it was developed in this Country. 

Colonists preferred an honest means of living. An honest form of currency that was circulated based on real, tangible value. That value is now created out of thin air by the banks that truly run the show. They rig tables, rob people and get away with it left and right. 2008 was the finest example of this. The Federal Reserve plays a major hand in all of that. They always have. It's a big club. And we ain't in it.

Taxation to a degree is theft. Sure, some of those taxes will go to certain aspects of society. School, laws, community events, public needs, etc. But there's a lot of it also being funneled out of here by ticks and leeches and there's very little being done about that. They get off easy all the time. And then we allow these politicians to turn right back around and give them control again.

That process, the central bank lending to the Treasury, is called quantitative easing (QE).
Typically the Fed lends to private banks, not to the government.  When they directly buy government bonds, that is QE.
But they often lend at interest.
And a lot of people think that this interest charge is not necessary, that it's just there to enrich bankers.
AOC is one of those people.

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